What kills me about this game is that it was a totally winnable game. That Daniels fumble turned the whole game around. We were moving the ball and probably would have scored a TD on that drive to make it 17-17. Daniels fumbles a 1st down conversion.
They beat the Super Bowl champs last season. That was a fun day, but I'm not sure it told us much about this team. From week to week, nearly anyone can beat anyone in the NFL. I was hoping for 9-7 this season but expecting 8-8. We'll see how it goes.
no, he's had a few and most have been in pretty critical (or at least big momentum swinging). He's still be very good, but he needs to curb that habit.
And to be fair, the one against the Saints was not a fumble. He was clearly down before the defensive player knocked the ball out of his hands.
At the risk of infuriating HillBoy and/or Ric, I'd just like to say for the record: David Carr still sucks.
Why would the truth infuriate me? Although, I still find it amusing that no matter how good or bad the Texans perform, their fans try to relate that to whatever David Carr did or didn't do as if to infer that things are basically OK with the Texans (the idiots on Houston radio are the worst at this). Yes, Carr was absolutely terrible yesterday and was benched in favor of a rookie but last the time I looked, that had no bearing on yesterday's game and it was the Texans who still got their collective underachieving behinds handed to them by a team with the worst defense in the league. The Brownies simply lined up and stuffed the football down the Texans' throats. Like myself, they didn't care one wit about David Carr's so-called "performance".
And I find it humorous that you think that I think everything is OK with the Texans because David Carr sucks. Despite the fact I've told you over and over and over again that's not the case. I can't imagine anyone is thrilled about the Texans losing. But they're better at QB than they were last year. Their passing game is really their lone bright spot on the offensive side of the ball. It was not at all last season. Last season it was all about keeping the ball out of DC's hands as the season wore on.
My bad. That is not you - you simply dislike Pretty David on a severely intense level. No, I'm commenting on the attitude: "Well the Texans lost again but man! Did you see how bad David Carr was yesterday? I mean, he got benched for a rookie! And what about VY? He had another Carr-like performance yesterday as well. Tee-Hee!" Better, oh hell yes! The question is how much. Schaub's limitations are becoming more and more clear (lack of arm strength; lack of experience) with each passing game. And he was clearly derailed by the pounding he received earlier this season. But the same old problems that bedeviled DC are still here (no running game, poor protection, numerous mistakes). Maybe this year Kubiak will break down and draft some offensive talent for a change.
hillboy, part of the reason Carr is still hated by Texans fans is because he helped set this team back so far. Some people knew he sucked before he got the contract extension and knew it was a bad idea at the time. Had they not extended a contract to him we would be a couple years further along on this rebuilding process. Thats why he's still talked about. He's not free of the mess he left behind. 10 years from now he will be a name in the archives, but 1 year removed he still deserves blame for this mess being fixed.
their passing game turned the ball over three times; coverted, iirc, a mere two third downs all afternoon; and failed to convert a critical 4th down on the game's opening series. if you you were to view schaub as critically as you did carr, i don't believe you'd sincerely term the passing game a "bright spot;" it's been, by and large, stretches here and there aside, mediocre. we gave up 2 2's and handed $48M and a starting job to schaub and he couldn't outplay an undrafted cast-off making, like, 3 billion times less yesterday. i've yet to see any reason to be excited about schaub... his decision-making, his athleticism, his arm strength... they've thus far unimpressed me.
Yeah, same here. Kuby tried to get it overturned with a desperation red flag but, if the initial ruling had been otherwise there probably was insufficient evidence to overturn instead, oh well ... So instead of at least getting 3 points, possibly 7 ... we got zero. Yes, BIG mistake! BIG turn of events. Even with the recent good play by the Texans, I still think we were/are not taking full advantage of our opportunities. Most of the games this year, we have either not capitalized on the opponents mistakes by SCORING on the ensuing series or still some 'shooting in the foot' and either only getting FG's when we should have gotten TD's or not gotten points on drives at ALL! TOO many drives that went nowhere. Better offense but, STILL not finishing on a number of drives during the game. On average we've messed up 7-10 points we should've gotten and sometimes more ... On the whole, we have pockets of good to exceptional talent but the supporting cast is average at best and our bench play is below average. Thus, Green goes down ... AJ goes down ... Dunta goes down ... we have issues because we do not have the supporting cast of ample talent to offset the loss. Our WR corps though is WAY better than we have ever had.
dude, what is your infatuation with this? Carr sucking is independent of how we feel about the Texans. hell, i didn't even think about David Carr during or after the game. i don't know why you keep bringing this up.
And I don't share that POV at all. Sure, Carr was a bad QB here (that's a given) but he was completely misused and abused by the persons who should be held responsible - the C&C Idiot Factory along with its owner, Bob McNair. It was they who set this franchise so far back but have somehow been allowed to slip away quietly. And don't forget Kubiak because it was his decision to give Carr that extension and thereby waste another complete year. Anyone with a brain stem could see exactly what you and others have pointed out and what DC himself showed yesterday...again. He's just about played himself into Ryan Leaf land (maybe he too will get a cameo on The Simpsons).
I didn't bring this up. Go back and read this thread. I was responding to a post from MadMax (who was pulling my leg to get a rise out of me BTW).
i did read madmax's post and i knew he was just joking. he even preempted with a "At the risk of infuriating HillBoy..."
Huh! Decision making? I think he's done well in that department. Look at obvious numbers. Yeah, he had a bad game pretty much so did the rest of the team. First REAL exposure at a playoff-like atmosphere game. Rome wasn't built in a day and neither will the Texans. Through 11 games, houston QB's have been sacked 18 times. I agree Schaub is still somewhat inconsistent with his play but, with exception of a very few on this team you could say the same. Remember this is Schaub's REAL first year in the NFL, where was Carr at year one? Definitely nowhere near what Schaub is doing. Schaub will get better and in ways is already getting better toward the end of the season. Carr meanwhile maybe has one more year before he's thrown on the scrap heap.
Not to mention that he can't take a beating but that's being too snide. Actually I agree with your assessment although to be fair, Schaub hasn't really looked the same since getting his clock cleaned earlier in the season. I think that he's still somewhat in a bit of a shock because after all he hadn't been hit like that in 4 years. And he took some good hits yesterday as well so it will take him some time to get used to the pounding.
So what was the point of your original post to me then? And please show me where I "brought this up" and am "infatuated" especially since the very first line I posted agreed with MadMax's declaration that David Carr sucks when I said: For the record, I was merely responding to the madman as if we were two guys sitting in a sports bar having a couple of brewskis. There was no malice on my part toward MM.
