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[OFFICIAL] Steve Francis returning to Rockets

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by gfab-babyboi, Jul 19, 2007.

  1. bloodwings19

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    Novak=B.Drew. Boogie might be another one that the Rockets let slipped away, or many times, Rockets let them fade away.
     
  2. BEXCELANT

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    I disagree. The most important stat that affects a players PER and EFF rating is not their shooting, defense or anything else. It's playing time. Novak got none of them. Everyone who gets to the NBA is a basketball stud. Especially if drafted in the first or second round. Even Ryan Bowen looks halfway decent if you extend his minutes out to 40. Other teams have guys like Novak...just like Don Nelson had Matt Barnes. Now everyone is clamoring to get Matt Barnes.

    I think if the Rockets had Matt Barnes last year he would never have seen the light of day from the bench. JVG only plays proven players or players out of necessity like Luther Head. Luther would have been glued to the bench if not for injury. So I'm not buying the Novak scenario completely. It's why JVG wanted to get guys like Pippen, Ward, Charles Oakley. Guys who were proven and completely used because honestly he had no one else to turn to. Bowen also wouldnt have gotten any playing time if not for a bunch of injuries.
     
  3. morpheus133

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    I consider Novak to be in the Matt Bullard mold, and Bullard himself has made the comparison. He will probably always have defensive problems, but with work they can be over come by good help defense and if he shoots the way he is capable he can contribute to a team. Bullard had a rather long career with the same defensive liabilities.
     
  4. BrooksBall

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    Novak is slow and has poor footwork. I will give you that he has slightly more value than Ryan Bowen. I don't see Novak having a long NBA career based on his physical attributes, even though we have barely seen him play. I have seen enough to generate that opinion. Novak is not going to have even an average NBA career. I respect your opinion but the only way to find the answer is to wait a few years and see how he develops.
     
  5. BrooksBall

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    Rather long career? Over Bullards' entire career, he played the equivalent of less than 3 seasons for an NBA starter. He spent most of his career on the end of the bench and never came close to playing 20 mpg over the course of a single season. The truth is though you made a fairly good comparison that supports my point. Novak is another Bullard-type that will spend most of his NBA career on the end of the bench. Maybe he will follow Bullard's post-NBA career path too and end up being a pretty good game announcer.
     
  6. Mehdi

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    Bullard sucks as an annoucner btw.
     
  7. Lil

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    My bad for doing this comparison off the top of my head.

    Boki '04 => 8.2mpg, 44% fg, 33% 3pt, 1.2rpg, 0.4apg, 0.2spg, 2.8ppg
    Most memorable moment, the great takedown of Karl Malone (for which I shall always love him).

    Novak '07 => 5.5mpg, 36% fg, 33% 3pt, 0.7rpg, 0.2apg, 0.1spg, 1.5ppg Most memorable moment, going 12-20 in 3pts and averaging 15ppg/6rebs during a 3 game span in the preseason.

    From a numbers standpoint, I think they are roughly comparable.

    Alternatively, we can always just reshuffled the comparisons and do this:

    Head '07 >> Boki '04
    Wells '07 >> Piatkowski '04
    Novak '07 >= Braggs '07

    Shouldn't be much debate about that?
     
  8. DaDakota

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    I would trade any of those players for Boki today.
     
  9. Nice Rollin

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    you mean analyst?
     
  10. BEXCELANT

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    Everyone used to say that Boki sucked too. Now that he's getting minutes his numbers look pretty good. As I said before. The most important stat is minutes.
     
  11. Fuse

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    I thought Boki looked pretty good for the limited time he was on the court. I do agree with you though, playing tim is the most important factor in the calculation of per or other statistical measures.

    The same argument can be said about Vspan, although he will never have the chance to exhibit his abilities.
     
  12. Mehdi

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    ya same thing sorry i was reading what the other guy had wrote my bad..
     
  13. BrooksBall

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    I totally disagree. He is very good, even better when considering how new he is to it. Worrell sucks, as did Calvin Murphy, as does Clyde Drexler, even though I like the latter just because of who he is.

    In fact, Bullard was recognized with an award last season as the NBA Broadcaster of the Week, the announcer's equivalent of NBA player of the week. This award his significance too, it is not just handed around, if you look at past winner. He has been excellent. His analysis is the best of the bunch and he speaks well and fluidly without being pretentious.
     
  14. BrooksBall

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    Darn, I thought maybe we could agree for a second. Anyhow, Bostjan Nachbar also is,was and will be far better than Head. Head is in roughly the same boat as Novak in that he lacks the necessary skill set and physical characteristics to have a long NBA career at his natural position (in this case, SG).

    Head is almost as one-dimensional as Novak and is weak to terrible in many other categories (defense, ball-handling, court vision, footwork). Similar to how Novak is weak (can be slightly overcome) and lacks the athleticism (will never be overcome) to ever serve as a regular NBA PF, Head lacks the size and skills necessary to be a long-term NBA SG. Head will never be a PG. Never.

    Nachbar was in the discussions for 6th man of the year last year. He had an excellent season and has more NBA-caliber skills to be a mainstay in the NBA. At best, Nachbar could be another Hedo Turkoglu with even greater athletic abilities. At worst, he is still a better NBA player than either Head or Novak. He has always had far more upside than either of them.

    Conclusion:

    Nachbar >>>>> Novak
    Nachbar >>>> Head (I gave Head a slight edge over Novak)
     
  15. BrooksBall

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    you mean broadcaster?
     
  16. BrooksBall

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    Bullard is considered a play-by-play ANNOUNCER and BROADCASTER as well as a color analyst. Announcer was not an incorrect term to describe his work.
     
  17. Mehdi

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    Your telling me that Bullard is better then Worrell and Murphy...im sorry..bullard is a stiff speaker who just repeats whatever clyde or bill says..he adds nothing to the table and he should be let go of his job...hopefully for calvin murphy's return..i can't believe you even remotely think he is better than worrell and murphy CRAZY
     
  18. Mehdi

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    I think you just love to disagree with everyone...im afraid you have a case of know it all and cockiness...sorry to hear it bro..
     
  19. BrooksBall

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    Actually, people were high on Nachbar even in the little time he was here and on the court. You are wrong. Few people said Boki sucked. Most people were impressed with his hustle and overall game while on the court. If anything, he was often struggling with his outside shot in the few minutes he did get after being endorsed as a very good shooter. His hustle was impressive though and he did eventually show his shooting range and touch. You made that up on the fly. Few people complained about Nachbar while he was here.

    I guess people just come in here and pretend they know things.
    An uninformed person comes and says "Everyone" said this about Player X or Player X can/can't do this or that. There are only a select few people in this forum that I have seen so far who appear to actually understand basketball, the NBA and even the Rockets.
     
  20. BrooksBall

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    Wrong, there is just incredible amounts of stuff in here to disagree with, such as unsupported claims and arguments.

    You are wrong about Bullard.

    I have evidence for my argument: http://www.nba.com/features/bullard_070201.html
     

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