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[OFFICIAL] Steve Francis returning to Rockets

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by gfab-babyboi, Jul 19, 2007.

  1. WNBA

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    you are seriously stucked in JVG and Alston era.

    never use TO as a stat to judge talent or you will think Alston > Nash.

    you cannot compare SF in Hou with Rafer in Hou.....those are completely different teams though all named as Rockets.

    "SF can creat his own shots." this statement alone valids: SF >> Alston.

    Last, JVG was gone. Alston is going soon. Get over with it. Alston was the worst starting PG. Alston, James trade was the biggest mistake in Rockets history.
     
  2. Gutter

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    T-Mac coming off the bench? are you nuts!
     
  3. TMac#1

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    I like the fact that we are adding a lot of talent and the fact that Rafer and Luther are going to be gone, but I still don't think having Francis is a good thing. I really don't know how he will co-exist with Tmac and Mike James basketball wise, and i am worried that he will still think he is "the franchise", but it is really tracy's team.

    If Rafer is gone it seems that Steve will have to be the starting PG. You definetely want to have Mike James coming off the bench with Bonzi with powerful instant offense, esp with tmac out. I would much rather have mike doing that, he is a better scorer than francis with much better shooting ability. when tmac is on the floor we dont need as much scoring so steve should be the guy. i just hope he learns how to entry pass to yao....


    c - Yao/ Deke
    pf - Scola/ Butler
    sf - Battier/ Bonzi
    sg - Tmac/ Snyder
    pg - Francis/ james

    plus whatever we get for luther and rafer.
     
  4. leroy

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    I'm going to reserve judgment until I see the rest of the moves. It's quite clear that Alston is on his way out, along with JL3. However, I'm not that much more comfortably with Francis and James as the main PG's. They're essentially the same kind of player. Brooks needs to be used as a change of pace and a more traditional PG who can also defend the Chris Paul's and Deron Williams' of the West.

    It's going to be interesting to see how Adleman puts this together. The rotation is growing by the day.
     
  5. TMac#1

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    If by create his own shot you mean dribbling for 20 seconds and than jacking up an outside shot he cant make, then you are right.


    Rafer was a very, very bad PG, but i think on this team steve may be worse. the only think steve does better than rafer is finish in the lane. and he is not great at that like used to be. he is a ball hog, a low bball IQ player, poor defender, poor entry passer, bad outside shooter, bad decsion maker, and i think he will hurt chemistry.

    People are making this out to be like we just got dwyane f'n wade, but the fact is mike james is a far more effective player than steve and you guys didn't make a big deal over it.
     
  6. T-Yao

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    Has it occurred to anyone that the real Steve Francis may actually be reading this thread?
     
  7. morpheus133

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    Turn overs alone? Of course not. Turn overs to assists yes. Comparing Nash, Francis, James and Alston last season it looked like this:

    Nash: 11.6 AST to 3.73 TO
    Alston: 5.4 AST to 2.1 TO
    Francis: 3.9 AST to 2.27 TO
    James: 3.6 AST to 1.57 TO

    So no; no one would say Alston was better than Nash based on stats nor actual play.

    I guess it all depends on what you want out of the PG position, but keep in mind neither James nor Francis were exactly leading the league in field goal % last year either. We absolutely need some more players that can create their own shot like Francis and James. That doesn't mean we don't also have room for players who are more pass first oriented and less turn over prone.
     
  8. RiceDaddy07

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    No, that would be Smush Parker.

    Alston was only the second worst.
     
  9. AGBee

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    I'm not sure why people would be scared having Francis/James/Brooks split minutes at point guard versus Rafer averaging 37 minutes with head playing a few minutes here and there....
     
  10. steddinotayto

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    But isn't 5.4 assists for a starting point guard a bit...low?
     
  11. TMac#1

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    then he can read this - go away
     
  12. ikfit

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    oh. hell. yes.

    No matter what, I would like to see SF here. I love him.

    Go Steve.


    How about Cat? Cato?

    Yao
    Tmac
    Cato
    Cat
    SF

    WOW
     
  13. TMac#1

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    No, because tmac handled the ball and made all of the passes, and created everything.
     
  14. steddinotayto

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    So...what was Rafer's purpose then?
     
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    I'd take that in a heart beat over Rafer
     
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    pass to Yao. T-mac passed to everyone else.
     
  17. SupraJames

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    LOL, Weisbrodized.... He makes Isaiah Thomas looks like Colangelo
     
  18. wreck

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    Watch a game where rafer didnt play and you will really see what he does. i am by no means a rafer lover but the guy ran at least brought the ball up the court and initiated the offense. unlike luther.
     
  19. steddinotayto

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    Who said Luther was a point guard? The only person that believed that was JVG. Head has zero ball handling and dribbling skills.
     
  20. AGBee

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    Maybe because...we had nobody other than Rafer to play point? Of course Rafer > nothing.
     

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