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Official Spelling contest kill thread.

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by Behad, Jan 1, 2003.

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  1. AroundTheWorld

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    I can't believe that one killed me...but in my case, it was a §&%!"%$"! typo...I just didn't pay attention and typed too fast... :mad:
     
  2. Falcons Talon

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    http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=non-detrimental

    Did I just get a kill? Hyphen got me too!
     
  3. ROXRAN

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    I think we are going to have a winner sooner than expected.
     
  4. heypartner

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    <b>No, that is not a kill of Zac D.</b>

    Note: Falcon, you got killed for a lack of a hyphen in a word that always must be hyphenated.

    The prefixes "non" and "un" are special cases. The lists of such words is pretty extension, so the dictionaries do not include them all. Here is the definition of "non" at dictionary.com. So just because a word with such a prefix is not in the dictionary does not mean it does not exist.

    <blockquote><hr>non

    - \Non-\ [L. non, OL. noenu, noenum, fr. neoenum, lit., not one. See None.] A prefix used in the sense of not; un-; in-; as in nonattention, or non-attention, nonconformity, nonmetallic, nonsuit.

    <b>Note: The prefix non- may be joined to the leading word by means of a hyphen, or, in most cases, the hyphen may be dispensed with. The list of words having the prefix non- could easily be lengthened.</b><hr></blockquote>
    See the "Note" for a discussion of hypens with "non."

    The only rule that I know for "non" when the hyphen is required is if the base word is always capitalized, like un-American, not counting times where it is listed as hyphenated, like "non-cooperation."

    Anyhow, some "non" and "un" words are always listed in the dictionary, some always list them with hypens, but the lack of finding it in the dictionary is not definitive, as clearly stated in the dictionary.
     
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  5. AroundTheWorld

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    I think heypartner is right. Although I would love to see Zac D killed. Hell, I would prefer to do it myself :mad: ;).
     
  6. Band Geek Mobster

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    Another spelling contest?

    Are you guys going to have another Best Poster tourney as well?

    :cool:
     
  7. heypartner

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    BGM sighting!! woo hoo
     
  8. AroundTheWorld

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    There have already been two...just catching up...
     
  9. Falcons Talon

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    Okey Dokey.
     
  10. Rockets R' Us

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    OH MAN! :eek: I leave for a week and all of a sudden I'm in the top 3!?!?!?! YES!!!!!!!!! :D :D :D I'm hunting for whoever's left!
     
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    that's "for whomever's left," but we will leave it to your own honor system to decide whether it is a spelling mistake or a grammar mistake.

    umkay???
     
  12. AroundTheWorld

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    Are you sure?
     
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    From that usage note, my understanding would be that "whoever" is correct since the "is left" comes after it and I would think that "whom is left" does not sound right, but what the hell do I know. Maybe Falcons Talon can help explain it to me. In any case, it would definitely be a grammatical error in my opinion, not a spelling error.
     
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    http://ccc.commnet.edu/quiz2/who_quiz.htm

    On this page, they have a quiz and an example...


    I cannot name the exact grammatical rules but my gut feeling tells me that this is a comparable example. While you would say "Give these old coats to whomever", you say "whoever" here because there is an, umm, incomplete sentence after it that refers to "whoever", just like in our case. I cannot find the precise words to explain it, but I am almost sure it has to be "whoever".
     
  16. AroundTheWorld

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    If you go to http://webster.commnet.edu/grammar/quizzes/who2_quiz.htm, you will find the explanation in the right wording in questions 12 and 13 if you click on "The explanation, please".

    heypartner was wrong.

    dictionary.com would say "Whom may sound stuffy even when correctly used, and when used where who would be correct, as in Whom shall I say is calling? whom may betray grammatical ignorance." :D

    umkay? :D
     
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    So the correct explanation would be - if I understood it correctly - that it has to be the subject form of the pronoun here, "whoever", because we would say "he is left", not "him is left". The whole clause "whoever is left" is the object of the preposition "for" in this sentence.

    There is a rule of thumb for this here.

    Interesting exercise for me :).
     
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    SJC, don't you think R 'r Us has been hiding lately? Do you know where the most kills occur in this game? This thread, right? Did you see how we got vj23k to commit suicide?? huh?

    *sigh*

    I got to hand it to you, though; no spelling mistakes in your 4 posts of explanation.
     
  19. AroundTheWorld

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    I think the guys who were hiding are cowards!!! At least fadeaway and I kept babbling nonsense like we usually do :D.
     
  20. heypartner

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    what?
     
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