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[Official] Rockets decline option on Troy Daniels (and Parsons)

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by justtxyank, Jun 30, 2014.

  1. justtxyank

    justtxyank Member

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    I swear, you are the most obtuse individual in the world. LOL

    I never said wink wink deals never happen, I said OBVIOUS wink wink deal swill get spanked by the league.

    In this case though it wouldn't even be circumvention. They have him under contract. They are allowed to let him out of his contract and tell him they plan on resigning him.

    Edit: What they can't do is offer future compensation in order to induce a player to opt out of a contract. In the case of Garcia it would be hard to ever prove they did that if he opts and then resigns for the same deal. In the case of Wade going from max to minimum back to max it would be easy.

    Don't get butthurt because your "Wade will take 1 a year minimum contract with the promise of future money" theory was treated like poop.

    Between that, your Aaron Brooks kickback theory and your "Memphis is trying to make Randolph leave!" theory I'd think you would learn to stop being so abrasive.

    You also fought about the Doc Rivers situation last year and ended up proven wrong when the NBA did precisely what you said they wouldn't do. Please, come to terms with the fact that your wild fantasies are seldom right.

    Like I've said though, I'm willing to bet you your screen name that Wade doesn't take a one year minimum deal with the Heat. You can lose it with pride like you did the other one after your wild Romney promises.
     
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  2. Fullcourt

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    Not too sure about that.
     
  3. treyk3

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    Teams will overpay if they get the chance. He made a big shot on a big stage. Look at what we paid Ariza. Look at the offers we gave Lin and Asik to try to prevent teams from matching. None of those guys were worth what we paid at the time. We needed those pieces so we were aggressive. The league is getting better. Morey isn't the only genius now.
     
  4. BimaThug

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    Two things:

    (1) Communicating with your own players in advance of free agency is commonplace. And while I've agreed with you on many instances where circumstances have indicated that "something" must have been going on behind the scenes, don't drag THIS in with some of your other conspiracy theories.

    (2) The Rockets CANNOT offer Troy Daniels a 3-year deal if they renounce his rights and use all their cap room on a guy like Melo.
     
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    There is a big difference in suggesting its something they could have done, and saying that's EXACTLY what they did as if we are there in the room, and know every move Morey is going to make 10 steps ahead of him.

    The simplest answer is probably the right one. More than likely Morey is just gambling that they are able to get Daniels back after the free agency hoopla for around the same contract, and he's just simply trying to open up a little bit more cap space albeit a tiny amount.

    In the end, it doesn't hurt Daniels because now he has options to make more money whether that be with the Rockets or elsewhere. Like with your Brooks theory last year, its not like Brooks or Daniels in this case wont take more money elsewhere if they are offered it. Take it as a wink-wink deal if you want... I take it as a calculated risk.
     
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    I think they declined him so they can resign him for cheap. I think they expect him to play much more next year and will be offered a larger contract after next year (by another team) than they will offer him this year.
     
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    They aren't going to get him much cheaper than they had him before. 816K non-guaranteed is a pretty big bargain.
     
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    No but i think we will sign him for a longer contract. And i think that the rockets believe he will play more this year and turn some heads so he would want a bigger contract next year (and some team might offer him that big contract).

    so offering him a multiyear contract this summer is cheaper than the contract we have to offer him next year.
     
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    With these moves, is it possible to trade for Love and still sign a tier 2 FA like Lowry?
     
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    (1) Conspiracy theories like Morey telling Garcia that he will offer him a minimum salary deal if Garcia cannot find a better deal elsewhere, thereby getting Garcia to opt out?

    Or conspiracy theories like telling Sacramento's front office that he would make Aaron Brooks whole if they bought Brooks out of a year of his guaranteed contract?

    Those conspiracies? ;)

    (2) But they can offer 3 years if they trade for Melo or Love and never use cap space.
     
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  11. Plowman

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    Yes, it is.
     
  12. dobro1229

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    Not sure. If free agency teaches you one thing, its typically that players that have a great first showing in the playoffs going into free agency typically get overpaid. (See - Ariza's first contract w/Rox).

    Like I said its a gamble. The Rockets could strike out in free agency, and end up with a tough decision to let him walk if a decent offer comes in that would hurt their cap situation moving forward.

    I dont think Daniels will garnish that much attention(probably mini mid-level), but you never know. I would have called you crazy a year ago if you would have told me Parsons would be getting offer a max contract in free agency this Summer, but it doesn't seem all that crazy anymore with so many teams getting in an arms race with ample cap space available to spend.

    #freeagency
     
  13. justtxyank

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    Why stop at 2?

    Maybe your Morey only signed Aaron Brooks as a quid pro quo would cut him before camp theory?

    Maybe your Romney is going to win the election but the media is cooking the numbers theory?

    Maybe your the Grizzlies don't want Zach Randolph so they are fake negotiating with him so he'll opt out and they can sign Gasol theory? (this is the best one)

    Maybe your Dwayne Wade will take a one year minimum contract theory?

    Maybe your the NBA can never stop the Doc Rivers/Pierce/Garnett to the Clippers because circumvention and tampering aren't real theory?

    Maybe your "The Rockets are just waiting until April 15th to sign Camby" theory?

    Maybe your "Jeremy Lin will be traded between December 15th and 19th (of 2013) theory?

    Edit: FWIW, I apologize if this comes across as attacking you because I don't want it to be felt as hatred. I actually like you posting here (even when you were Jop). This is meant to give you jazz for the fact that you go into other threads and mock the circumvention/tampering posts that have been directed at you when they aren't related in anyway to whatever it is you are responding to. You come up with wild theories and then when you get told it's a wild theory you argue and argue, then disappear when it turns out to be false and then sometime later mock the people who argued with you when some unrelated event that doesn't actually prove what you think it proves happens.
     
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    basketballholic quickly turning into one of the more comical posters on here. I'm enjoying it.

    *grabs popcorn*
     
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    Didn't say that. What I said was Brooks had no future on this team. He was signed to make him whole. And he didn't have a futue on this team. And he is gone. And he only stayed around for trade purposes. The Brooks story played out just the way I said it would.

    Missed that one. But it isn't basketball. And we're going to find out years from now that the books were cooked. But that's really not supposed to be here. I think you violated one of the rules here by bringing up politics in the GARM.


    Grizz want Pau. That I know. Don't be surprised once the smoke clears that they trade Zach for Pau or trade Zach away to make room for Pau if Pau expresses to them that he wants to come to Memphis. Zach is fully trade-able as soon as the July moratorium ends. This could still happen as the most logical landing spot for Pau to play for a contender would be to return to Memphis and play with his brother. Also don't be surprised if Memphis entices LAL into a sign-and-trade for Pau using Koufas, Prince, and a draft pick. That would give Memphis a nice big rotation of the Gasol brothers and Zach. That would be killer for them and make them true championship contenders for the next 3 years or so.


    You'd better hope he doesn't. But that wasn't my only theory. My other theory was that possibly 2 or all 3 guys would take substantially lower salaries for ONE YEAR before being re-upped. I still think that's possible.

    My point about the circumvention Article is it is written to give the NBA office arbitrary judgment on all those matters. They can determine something is circumvention on a whim. It's kinda like the trade of CP3 that Stern shut down..basketball reasons....nothing in the CBA to back that up.

    Stern meddled where he shouldn't have...he made an arbitrary judgment in the Rivers/Pierce/Garnett situation. It was wrong. It is wrong to this day. And when the players opt out of the current CBA in 2016, the next version of the CBA will undoubtedly have much tighter, more defined language regarding circumvention than the cesspool of text that doesn't define circumvention now in the current agreement but leaves most everything to the league office to arbitrarily decide what is circumvention and what is not.

    They were.

    You heard Morey say they had a deal and the owner backed out at the last minute, didn't you?
     
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>RFA Troy Daniels has suitors, including Mavs, Spurs, Grizzlies, Pelicans, league sources tell RealGM. Rockets want to re-sign playoff hero.</p>&mdash; Shams Charania (@ShamsCharania) <a href="https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/statuses/484122043110424576">July 1, 2014</a></blockquote>
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  19. Fullcourt

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    Well this is just f***ing great.
     
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    Mavs.....
    Go home Cuban.
     

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