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[OFFICIAL] [ROBERT REICH] Liz Cheney for President 2024 Thread

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    https://theweek.com/liz-cheney/1016010/would-a-liz-cheney-presidential-bid-change-anything

    Would a Liz Cheney presidential bid change anything?
    by Harold Maass
    AUGUST 19, 2022

    Rep. Liz Cheney (R-Wyo.) this week lost her Republican primary in a massive landslide, but the staunch critic of former President Donald Trump said her fight for traditional conservative values — and against Trump — was "just beginning." Cheney, who voted to impeach Trump for inciting the Jan. 6 Capitol attack and is now vice chair of the House committee investigating it, said Trump "continues to pose a very grave threat — a risk to our republic." She said on NBC's Today that she would focus now on "doing whatever it takes to keep Donald Trump out of the Oval Office," possibly by running for president herself.

    The Wyoming Republican, once a rising leader of her party, said she would "make a decision in the coming months" about whether to launch a campaign for the White House. Trump has hinted that he's preparing to run in 2024. Cheney hasn't said whether she was thinking about challenging Trump in the Republican primary, or running as an independent. Kyle Kondik, the managing editor of the Crystal Ball political analysis newsletter at the University of Virginia, told USA Today that Cheney would "probably get a very small slice of the vote" and "hurt the Democrats more than the Republicans given her current standing." But GOP consultant Alex Conant told The Wall Street Journal that her "laser focus on Trump and ability to command media attention means she could be a significant factor in 2024." Would Cheney make a difference if she ran for the White House?

    Cheney's attacks could weaken Trump
    Cheney 2024 could be a first in American politics, says Ronald Brownstein at The Atlantic. "A true kamikaze campaign." Nobody, including Cheney, would expect her to "come anywhere close to winning the GOP nomination behind an anti-Trump message." Only two of the 10 House Republicans who voted to impeach Trump will be around to "face voters in November" — four retired and four lost their primaries — and Trump-endorsed candidates who "overtly echo his lies" about the 2020 election being stolen from him are winning everywhere. "But many Republicans resistant to Trump believe that Cheney could rally the minority of party voters who continue to express reservations about the former president." She has the name recognition — her father, Dick Cheney, is a former vice president, after all — to mount a serious fundraising campaign, and, as GOP consultant Alex Conant put it, "Every other candidate not named Trump is going to want Liz Cheney on the debate stage." Her "battering-ram attacks" might just weaken Trump enough for someone else to win the GOP nomination.

    It would be a risky move
    A recent poll showed Cheney in fourth place with 3 percent backing in a GOP primary, behind Trump, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, and former Vice President Mike Pence, says Aaron Blake in The Washington Post. A showing like that "could be enough to put Cheney on the debate stage." The party might try to exclude her, but "shutting her out won't be easy" if she's leading other credible candidates. "Imagine Cheney pressing the case against Trump not just in Jan. 6 committee hearings, but also doing it to his face." GOP primary voters seldom hear "counterprogramming on Trump" due to "our siloed conservative media" and the unwillingness of other Republicans to "truly go after Trump," so Cheney's "stop Trump" message might move the needle. But her candidacy could backfire. She could "prove a beneficial foe for Trump — a bogeywoman who exemplifies the kind of weak-kneed Republicans who would dare to align with Democrats, of all people." And if she made a third-party run, hoping to split conservatives, her numbers suggest she'd "appeal more to Democratic-leaning voters than to Republican ones."

    Cheney won't stop Trump by running against him
    Cheney wants to keep Trump out of the White House. "Fair enough," says Ed Morrissey at Hot Air. But launching her own presidential campaign is her worst option for "pursuing that goal." She doesn't have the national constituency for that. Tuesday's vote showed "she doesn't even have a statewide constituency any longer." About the only followers she has left are in the media, which rallied behind her "as a David against a GOP Goliath." But a "fawning" press corps won't "impress Republican primary voters." An independent run would be doomed to make Evan McMullin's "2016 bid look like an electoral juggernaut." If Cheney really wants to have an impact, she should "simply endorse Republican primary challengers that can defeat Trump in the primaries. There's a real question as to whether a Cheney endorsement would help someone like Ron DeSantis or Glenn Youngkin, to name a couple of potential challengers, but they're more likely to 'stop' Trump by beating him to the nomination than a Liz Cheney challenge."

    Democrats need to get over their infatuation with Cheney
    Cheney deserves praise for her "courage in standing up to Trump," says Celia Viggo Wexler at NBCNews.com. Her "star power" has been crucial for the Jan. 6 hearings. "She's been that rara avis, a Republican lawmaker with both a conscience and a backbone — solemnly warning her cowardly colleagues: 'There will come a day when Donald Trump is gone, but your dishonor will remain.'" But Democrats who have become infatuated with her should remember her record in three terms in Congress has matched Trump's positions 93 percent of the time. Cheney opposed the Violence Against Women Act, the Affordable Care Act — "voting for Trump's plan to dismantle it" — and is a "hardliner on immigration." She's "Trump without the lying, bullying, and immorality." Remember, Cheney backed Trump in 2016, and was a latecomer "to the anti-Trump party." Kudos to Cheney for defending the Constitution and trying to reform the GOP. "By all means, give the woman the Presidential Medal of Freedom. Just don't give her the keys to the White House."



     
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    Good thing Democrats are not actually doubling down on that statement or even using it.
     
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    Republicans hate Liz Cheney because she chose to stand up for Democracy. They weren't willing to and she was.
    Some Democrats like Liz Cheney because she chose to stand up for Democracy.
    Most Democrats still don't like Liz Cheney, but they respect her for standing up for Democracy and possibly admire her because she did it at personal loss for herself.

    That says all you need to say about the state of the two parties right there.
     
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    Similar stance on Tulsi Gabbard but reversed sides
     
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    Nah
     
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    Yeppers lol
     
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    The equivalence isn't there. Sorry bud. Democrats don't have a cult of personality leader that is worshiped hence why so many Trump supporters are perplexed how Biden could have won without seeing anyone wearing Biden hats.

    So a politician trying to break that cult stranglehold on her party isn't the same as a politician trying to carve out a safe niche based on edgelording.

    What Tulsi and Cheney are doing aren't anywhere near the same. In fact Cheney still abides by all GOP policy principles and is a strong proponent of them. She just is uncomfortable with a god like complex for an individual poltician in her party and she thinks that isn't safe or sustainable.
     
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    And you think Tulsi is a trumper? Nah she just holds democrats accountable for nonsensical overtures - woke embracing, border failures, crime ineptitude, etc list goes on …
     
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    When did I say she's a Trumper?


    She's the type of edgelord theater type poltician who will say **** like "Obama needs to say we are at war with Islamism"? Why? Because DEVGRU operators are out in a remote village confused who their targets are? No, she says that **** to rile up a certain demographic. That's the type of poltician she is. And I'm sure she pushes "anti-woke" framing as some pressing issue of modern society because again, she panders.

    That is completely different than a politician who is fearful that her party is being taken over by a singular man cult.
     
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    Yes.

    Everyone likes to point out a person or two from the opposite party and hold them up as someone they would support - because it makes them feel like they are being objective and not biased. We say the democrats do it with both John McCain and Mitt Romney and not Cheney. The Republicans do it with Gabbard and Manchin.
     
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    It definitely isn't "all the same".
     
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    And she makes a hard right turn...........oh no, into the wall she goes. She had such promise :rolleyes:


    "Tulsi Gabbard, the former Hawaii congresswoman and one-time Democratic presidential candidate, stepped in to host Tucker Carlson’s Fox News program on Friday evening, continuing her rightward pivot.

    Gabbard came armed with a monologue, torching President Joe Biden, fear-mongering about the power of federal institutions and slamming the FBI raid on former President Donald Trump’s Florida home. "

    more at the link

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...r-host-tucker-carlson-on-fox-news/ar-AA10DtrG
     
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    Not exactly. Tulsi never bucked against the party when it came to defending Democracy. Her differences with the party were almost exclusively over policy issues.

    The Democratic Party never stripped Tulsi of leadership positions that I can recall.
     
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    no, she just like to collect Fox News salary and bonuses
     
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    Yup... Nailed it about her.

    She's all about theatrics. She literally guest hosted a cable news show where the show is notoriously famous for spreading narratives about white Americans being replaced and invaded by non white people.

    This is a prime example of her not taking her duties as a legislator seriously and only caring about media exposure and pandering.
     
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    Great point. Another key difference is that Liz Cheney's stance cost her, her job. Tulsi Gabbard changed in order to profit from Fox.
     
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    When did Tulsi stand up for democracy at risk to her own job?

    Was playing footsie with Putin the same thing?
     
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