[OFFICIAL] [ROBERT REICH] Liz Cheney for President 2024 Thread

Liz Cheney has the charisma of an eggplant.

 

I've never liked Cheney because she thinks her war mongering father was right about all GWB's
moves in the name of defence. I do respect that she wants to hold Trump responsible.

That being said her as a viable candidate is a stupid media story. She is not a national candidate regardless.

When talk of her running in 2024 started, I'm like do these guys paid for analysis. She fell on her sword and it's commendable but that's the end. There is no place for her, even if Trump doesn't run . But I'm preaching to the choir

 

Exactly, which is a lot like her father. Nobody ever thought about Cheney running in 08 even before the economy collapsed

 

how is she not about conservative principles? what did she change on when it comes to principles or policy?

and why is it her responsibility to heal the split in the GOP. she didnt cause it. what if she thinks the trumpers are taking the GOP away from what it has traditionally stood for?

 

Honestly, there doesn't need to be a healing.

But there also does not need to be a total perge.

What they all need to do is to denounce and not welcome election deniers and not welcome racists.

Some former Trump supporters will decide that even Republicans that believe in democracy and are against racism are still better than the horrible socialist Democrats.

The ones that don't should be excommunicated. If a party survives by giving room to those folks, then the party doesn't really belong.

 

I'd say she is about conservative principles and Trump was never about conservative principles. She didn't attack his policy, she attacked his behavior and ethics.

Trump and DeSantis by extension are not actually conservatives. They are populists. And they are transforming the GOP to a populist party. Who would ever have thought that conservative laissez faire business principles would translate into protective tariffs to protect a handful of jobs.

 

Current conservative principles are cheating elections and selling US secrets to enemies. She has no chance running if she’s against those 2 issues.

 

But the policy positions of an American loving conservative who puts America and Democracy first.

But yes, she has minimal charisma.

 

she actually voted with trump like 95% of the time. she has a more conservative voting record than most if not all of the biggest trump hacks in congress. if it was actually about policy then the republicans would be championing her. but again, the GOP is nothing more than a deranged cult at this point. its not about policy at all...its about being a kiss-ass to trump.

its crazy...people like cheney refused to blindly go along with an obvious lie and an entire political party is ostracizing them for it.

 

I agree that I don’t think Liz Cheney has much of a chance in the GOP. Not unless things really change. Not only is the party still in the grip of Trump it is also vindictive. Notice how many celebrate in primaries taking out RINOs and in many Republicans minds she is the biggest RINO.

She also has no place in the Democrats given her record and continued support of conservative principles. Most notably abortion and being against gay marriage even though her sister is gay.

As an independent she doesn’t fit the “fiscal conservative socially liberal” pattern that many independents adopt.

Liz Cheney properly deserves the respect for her stand and will go down in History for a Profile in Courage but there doesn’t appear to be much of a path for her to continue in elected office.

 

Accepting 40% of the country as a Christian nationalist autocratic cult is one hell of a way to “let it heal.” And calling something what it is not won’t help the situation. Honesty and truth should never be sacrificed.

I know you are “just posting” and putting it out there for debate, but do you not believe that going the route of full blown autocratic cult of personality when the other 60% fully believes in Democracy is going to eventually tear this country apart??

There’s this no longer giving a crap about the majority of the country minority who is openly trying to force their extremist views on them through autocratic means. Why do they get a pass in the “articles” that you post every time??

 

Could not have said it better myself, she stuck by his policies but would not not allow herself to get caught up in the BS and called it out which effectively ended her career. Its like high school drama, you have a group of friends and the alpha all of a sudden doesn't like you and you are regulated to the lunch table with the misfit toys because your so called friends wont stand up to him I do not want her to run but I would love to see her out on the campaign trail to dissuade anyone on the fence although at this point if your on the fence I have to ask why? Its clearly your either for trump or against him and nothing will change that unless he is forced not to run and then he is a martyr and Desantis picks up the torch and burns everything down to the core..........he will champion against the "woke culture" , just as he is trying to do with his new bill aimed at pension plans managers doing business in Fl

DeSantis has criticized financial institutions and corporate executives for considering factors like systemic racism and economic inequality when making business decisions, a practice known as environmental, social and governance, or ESG, investing. In an episode of Glenn Beck's online show posted Saturday on YouTube, DeSantis told the conservative commentator that he expected the new rules to "make a big splash" when they pass.

more at the link

https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/17/politics/desantis-pension-rules-esg-investing/index.html

 

They are not all racists, terrorists, or cultists.

Not all Republicans need to be called that.

But the party accepts and welcomes terrorists, racists, and cultists. They are catered to within the party and the party goes out of its way to not offend them and to placate them.

That's the problem. The worst elements of the party seek to punish any that speak out against those things. The rest of the party is scared to get primaried so they don't take a stand. They are being held hostage more by their own lack of conviction and willingness to take a stand more than any bad elements in the party.

 

I do love how we have to treat conservative voters like children.

"You mean to me! I go vote for crazy man now!"

How many times have you heard a poor minority or leftist say they went to vote for Bernie because some online right wingers called them soy cucks?

 

Right, and I think the media really needs to be pressed on this. Why are they asserting that the 40% who are in a cult have no responsibility at all to think about anyone else? And why does the media not understand that if this autocratic cult takes power, they'll do what autocratic regimes do in every other country throughout history... .which is to consolidate and run the media. All of these people will out of a career or will be a mouthpiece for a violent and corrupt regime everyone hates. How can they be so stupid?

 

The "media" is not the one saying this, it was an opinion piece from a freelance writer who was probably trying to get clicks more than anything else.

The "media" does understand that and most of "media" says this constantly and talks about the power of autocratic rule, just look at the coverage of DeSantis and his don't say gay bill or the fight with Disney.

"They" are not stupid, it's one guy with an opinion.

 

and one poster with no opinion who just posts article-after-article with no commentary!

 

Yep. Liz Cheney got her ass kicked in her PRIMARY. Why? She voted with Trump's policies about 95% of the time so policy can't be the reason. She lost because she went against Trump himself, not his policies.

Now people may say "America has spoken!" Not so fast. You see this was a GOP primary. Only GOP registered voters could vote. Yes, a few Democrats registered to vote as Republicans so they could vote for Cheney, but that number is negligible. This was to see who would be the nominee for the GOP in one House district. About 170,000 total votes of REPUBLICANS. This was their primary.

Cheney won approximately 30% of the REPUBLICAN vote. This is the person who is trying to ensure Trump either goes to jail or will never be in office again. Yet she won 30% of the Republican vote. People actually believe this is a win for Trump? 30% of his own party voted against him. I wouldn't call that a win.