I guess we'll never find out now will we? And we give up a 1st rounder, what would probly be 2 pretty good 2nd rounders and take on a 2 year contract for IR fodder for the opportunity to not find out. whoopee.
Actually, Minnesota traded Brandon's contract and Marc Jackson and received Sprewell in return. Spree is 33, is an above average player an is locked up for another two years @ $12 mil+ per. Granted, Spree is better than Amaechi, but its not like trading for him wasn't a risk. Wasn't NY trying to trade him for a couple of years and just this summer, finally found a buyer??? The 6.5 mil exception allows us to basically trade nothing for something. I think thats why you should hold off on judging this trade. Lets see what that exception will bring.
If expiring contracts are so damned valuable, why in the hell was Utah...a team with a boatload of cap $ and only 9 2003-04 contracts unable to move a 30 year old center with an expiring contract (Ostertag / $8.7m) to the EC? Posters here trade Kelvin Cato twice daily for EC starters...shouldn't the Jazz be able to do this? (And puhleeeeze don't even try to tell me Rice has more trade value than a 6 year younger C). If an expiring contract had/has that much value, surely the Jazz could have signed Elden Campbell or SnT'd for Drobnjak or signed Cherokee Parks and backed that player up with Amaechi, Right? And then made their big splash moving Tag to the EC for a starter, right? Maybe, just maybe that expiring contract has alot less value than many CC posters think.
Big difference with Terrell Brandon: Since he retired (due to injury) his contract officially comes off the book 2(?) years from the date of his injury, which is during the season. As the lux. tax is calculated at the end of the year, Brandon won't count against the cap; Rice will. Hypothetically, if a team were right at the barrier here's the 2 scenarios: a.) trade for Brandon, his contract disappears and is paid mostly by insurance, no $$ paid. b.) trade for Rice, his contract tacks on 9 mill, PLUS 9 mill lux tax. That's an 18 million dollar swing minus whatever the deductible for Brandon would be. You're probably talking a 15 million dollar cost of Rice vs. Brandon. Exact same? Not quite.
Are you telling me that teams would give up a 1st round picks and 2 second round picks just to get rid of an expiring contract? Is that what you're saying?
Codell, It was a multi team deal. Atl gave up Glen Robinson for Brandons expiring contract. Yes Philly ended up with Robinson but the fact remains that Atl shipped him off for an expiring contracrt and a player that will never play again. At least Rice can still go out there and drain some threes.
Calm down already...it's not like the team actually got worse by giving up Rice and picking up Jim Jackson...I know we were hoping for more, but nothing has really changed - the exception could still be used for doing a deal to pick up a star just like Rice's contract could have been used. Let's wait and see...I'm officially in the "withhold judgment" group .
King sent Keon Clark (much better player than Rice) AND two second round picks and got only a 2nd rounder in return.
NO EDIT: Forgot to say that the Kings also got a trade exception in return, which I believe, they used on Brad Miller.
What does Jim Jackson have anything to do with the trade? I know this may come as a shock to some people but giving up Glenn Rice for 0, Nothing, Nada, is better than trading decent picks and taking John Amaechi who will play 0 minutes.
I'll bet RIET is getting tired of people telling him to "wait and see"... Welcome to the club SJC..unless of course the worst-case scenario comes true, then we are gonna look stupid..
Of course there are differences. Another is that Rice can still go out and get hot and win some games for you while Brandon can not. At the end of the season Rice will still come off of the books. For someone looking to get under the cap for the 2004/2005 season that is a value. If we would have traded Rice it would not have hurt the other team because they would give up the same as they were receiving but it would help them next summer. I assume Rice will become very valuable around the trade deadline. Do you agree with that?
The Kings traded Keon Clark because they got Brad Miller. John Amaechi or Brad Miller? Hmmm.. And the Kings were not stupid enough to trade away their 1st round pick, especially a 14-18 pick.
1) What part of the under the cap Jazz not being able to move an expiring center's contract was so difficult for you to understand? 2) $7M Trade Exception > Next years #17+ pick which carries a guaranteed 3 years @ ~$3m. Seems like a slam dunk to me.
Gater, Atl set a value on expiring contracts when the sent Glen Robinson off for Brandons. I don't see how you can say people on this bbs over valued Rice's expiring contract when a value had already been set.
You forgot to mention that we also have the Chicago pick that could be as much as an unprotected lottery pick.
I agree that Rice's contract would have been nice at the end of the year (when it expires). But do any of ya'll think the 6.5M trade exception might be worth it?
1. If Utah offered some team Greg Ostertag and their 1st round pick for the other teams 2.5 million worthless bag of dirt, you don't think teaams would jump at that? Utah would never be stupid enough to trade their pick just to get rid of Ostertag. What part of that do you not understand? 7.5 million and what gives you any idea that we're going to use that? Why do you assume this? 17th pick is guaranteed only if you sign the player. Have you ever heard of a wait and see Euro player? Do you realize that this tsrategy is being employed at every level of psot lotto draft?
Absolutely it would be worth it if we are willing to use it on a big time contributer. Unfortunately after reading CD's comments I just don't think that there is any way Les will use it if it buts us over the Luxery Tax.
