okay, quote from the Jazz website. My hopes were way off -- sorry for all the posts... no edit with all the traffic, and I've made it worse: "Utah Jazz Sr. Vice President of Basketball Operations, Kevin O’Connor announced today that the Utah Jazz traded center John Amaechi and a second round draft pick (received from Sacramento in the Keon Clark trade) to the Houston Rockets for small forward Glen Rice and Houston’s first round draft pick in 2004. The pick is protected to within lottery range. Additionally, Houston gives the Jazz a conditional first round pick in 2004, acquired by the Rockets from Chicago in 2000. If Chicago retains the pick then the Jazz will receive two second round picks from Chicago, one in 2005 and 2006. Utah also receives additional consideration from Houston." So... it's Chicago's pick. Again, sorry if that's been acknowledged. I must be tired, because I keep not seeing posts for some reason. Overall, I remain excited about this.
If it's only the Chicago picks, I agree. However, I think it's the Rockets 1st round pick and the Chicago obligation.
I am so, so r****ded (no offense to developmentally challenged folks, I am far worse) or hyper or both. please delete my knuckle-head rookie posts and ban me. Thank you.
RIET/Deckard, My bad, the article does say "additionally". The Rockets potentially are giving up a high lottery pick or, if they make the playoffs, something in the high-teens to low twenties range in picks of their own, plus whatever the Bulls don't use. Could be bad, or not so bad. The percentages of any of these picks sticking with the team are medium to low.
Hardly that. One minor mistake means one of the board's best posters gets banned? Things are not that bad, surely... Besides, if things remain true to form I suspect that your posts were already reported to the admins by...someone...
I think in 6 months we can look back on this trade and say it was a pretty bold move and somewhat a gamble but hey I think it just made us a contender. It's not over until the bald man sings!
I would just like to add this. You would think that a: 1. A 10 million dollar expiring contract 2. A lottery protected 1st round pick 3. An unprotected 1st round pick or 2 second round picks Is the kind of deal normally reserved for a true stud, not John Amaechi.
contender for what? Rice for Amaechi and Jackson does not make us a contender. If we use the trade exception wisely, then maybe we'll be a contender. But today's actions moved this team laterally, not vertically.
We need a 3rd center? Why? Because Kelvin Cato was exhausted playing 18 minutes? Once Yao starts playing 33 minutes a game, Cato will get 14 and Amaechi will get 1. Yes. We need a 3rd center for $2.8 million so he can play 1 minute/game.
I would take Amaechi and an unprotected 2nd round pick from the Kings in a heartbeat over scrubs like SAR or Glenn Robinson.
"We are very excited to have the opportunity to add players of Jimmy's and John's caliber," Dawson said. "It is never easy saying goodbye to a true veteran such as Glen. However, we are adding two good players that will provide even more veteran leadership and experience to our team." I wish Dawson was more like JVG in that he actually means what he says and says what he means. "We are very excited to have the opportunity to add players of John's caliber." Sure.
This is an interesting trade. On the surface, it stinks. Yet when you peel back the surface a little.... I mean, Rice is MUCH better than Amaechi. And Rockets have to throw in a 1st rounder??? Who's kidding who? However, that 6.5m trade exception is of great value. For all the people that said the Rockets could have signed J. Jackson for the 1.5m before the trade, well, they didn't did they? The Rockets were afraid of the Lux Tax, which may or may not happen but if it does, the price is very high for "misstakes". That 1.5m J. Jackson contract might end up costing 3 or more million because of the Lux Tax. So, the owner is a cheapskate and we want Cuban, right? No, just being smart with the money. I believe if there was a blockbuster deal out that that will improve the team and make the Rockets an instant contenter, Les would bite the bullet. But there isn't a willing free agent AND the Rockets had no cap room to do anything. Now, with the exemption, if a blockbuster deal comes up for Mobley and/or Cato, it can happen. Not saying it is automatic. Also, Rice is not needed for his play on the court. Besides, if they want a shooter, they got a 2nd year guy that is suppose to be OK. Gotta let him play a little. Also, J. Jackson is OK as a 3. Did you watch the Kings last playoff? So the Rockets are on pace for a 8th spot in the playoffs. What did anyone expect from the Rice trade? O'Neal? But if they hold on to the exemption and use it to REALLY improve next season, Ming's 3rd.... Watch Out!
Just thought it was worth mentioning that as of right now, the Rockets' official website is still "asleep"...they seem to not have heard of the trade yet... Go clutchcity.net!
I keep waiting for the "this trade sucks" crowd (for the record, I'm in the "hold the judgment" crowd) to suggest what kind of player(s) should we get with Rice + picks, instead of Ameachi + 6.5 mil. exception. Anyone?
Easy, I am with you. Most of the summer, it seems that people have been way overestimating what Rice's expiring contract would bring in return. I am happy with the cap relief and the trade exception that we got in return. Plus, the ability to sign Jackson to a dirt cheap contract. Amaechi is not a bad guy to have at the end of the bench. He had a couple of decent years with Orlando. He works well around the basket offensively, even though he is not much of a rebounder.
Glen Rice: $10 million of salary cap relief. Asset or Liability? Asset John Amaechi: $2.8 million salary for 2 years and 0 playing time. Asset or Liability? Liability 1st Round Draft choice 2004 (14-18 range). Asset or Liability? Asset Chicago's 2004 1st round pick or 2 2nd round picks. Asset or Liability? Asset Let's tally it: We gave up 3 assets for 1 liability. That's a Lose/Lose if you're using the Covey scorecard. $6.5 million trade exception? All this to manuever under the luxury tax just to put us over again? Yeah. That's the ticket. We were better off doing nothing than this trade.
Almost the exact same expiring contract was traded for Glenn Robinson. Hmmmm. Maybe the Rockets are the ones under valuing Rices contract.
