That is a a telling quote, but I still think something else is going to happen. It's not worth a pick and Rice just sign JJ, especially since there was no reason that we couldn't sign him anyway.
I agree with crash. The Rice trade is just plain r****ded. Trading him did not allow us to sign JJ for the rest of the paltry exception.
What was the use of getting Amaechi? That's what I don't understand in this..... He has no use on this team. Jim Jackson = Good Giving up Rice = Good Giving up draft picks = Not Good
I agree with Sherlock. This is a good trade, in perspective. This is not at all like the Brandon trade. Minnesota was not worried about luxury tax; they were willing to take on other people's payroll and were paid for the service in talent. The Rockets, on the other hand, were foisting their payroll burden on another team and, therefore, must pay in talent to get it done. The situation would have been the same if the Rockets didn't care about the luxury tax and were willing to take a $10 million a year player for several more years. But, they're not. They were looking to shed payroll and for that you have to pay. I assumed (and have been saying since they let Posey go) that they would not trade Rice the way Minn traded Brandon. I thought they were willing to ride out the contract and let it expire. Apparently, they didn't even want to do that. All considered, I think it's a fair trade because it gave us the room to sign Jackson, who likely will be more productive than Rice and cheaper. I think they're gambling that they will be good and the 1st round pick won't be worth much. I can see, though, that the next draft won't be too entertaining.
I will not cast judgment on this trade until the Rockets announce their plans for using the $6.5mm trade exception. If they are able to use that wisely, then the Rice/Amaechi trade is a good one. Of course, given Dawson's history of dealmaking, I have no data points to support the assumption that the Rockets will use the trade exception wisely.
Plain not true. The Rockets are afraid of the luxury tax and would not take on any more salary than they already had. In hindsight, I bet they were counting on reducing salary by trading Rice when they picked up Pike and Griffin. We don't have the Maloofs or Allen or Cuban owning this team; this team is staying under the luxury tax and will give up talent to do it.
right on ROXTXIA, Sherlock, and aelliot. you guys sound like you know what you're talking about. this deal is a smart deal. It gives Van Gundy a lot of flexibility to sign freeagents or make another trade, this year, or next year. great move, imo.
The difference with the Brandon trade, was that he will retire for medical reasons, and the Hawks will not have to pay his entire salary as some insurance company will pick up most of it. Utah has to pay Rice's entire salary. The only player we could get with Rice would be someone with a huge salary whose team didn't want him. Now we have a $6+ million exception to use however we want.
Unless you can prove JJ's 1.25 mill contract sends them over the luxury tax threshold(which there is not even proof yet there will be a lux tax) I call bs.
This quote tells me two things: 1. You acknowledge the fact that this trade was meant to trim the salery and not improve the team. 2. You don't mind an owner that is more concerned about lining his pockets than improving our team. If that is how you feel then thats fine. To each his own. I on the other hand simply do not except or agree with any move that does not help the team in the win collum.
For those of you who are relatively new to the board, aelliott is very well informed about the Collective Bargaining Agreement. He is the man to listen to about what this deal gives us.
If the whole point of that trade was for jim jackson's signing...... We got screwed big time......I refuse to believe CD is this incompetent......
This is why I hope that Les will sell the team. You have to pay to play and if you can't afford to pay the please sell to someone that is willing to pay. Les is a cheap bastered and if he is not totally committed to making the Rockets the best team possible then he does not need to own them or any other sports franchise.
I think we have to wait and see how it all plays out. The exemption will benefit us in future trades. The first round pick will not be next years because we just traded ours this past draft, so by the time they get to use future first round pick, which will be 2-3 years, we will be contending and the pick will be a low pick.
I don't understand the first round pick, though. Anyone? Rookies are a good gamble; there're going to be some good players coming out in the draft, as well as some good "potential" players. WTF is happening?
Utah is not stupid. They are willing to take Rice's $9.6 mil salary but they have to dump $5.4 mil (for 2 yrs) of Amaechi's on us. We might be able to use Amaechi a little. He was OK with Orlando. He had personal problem with Sloan at Utah and I don't blame him either.
Finally something we agree on. You guys have been moaning over how useless Rice is, and now you are all b****ing your asses off cause he's gone? We got a 6.5 mil trade exemption outta the deal..and got rid of a no defense playing, oft-injured old guy that makes 9 mil a year. and on the topic of picks...I doubt very seriously that our coming pick is going to be high enough to be worth much anyway. he talent difference between our first round pick and Utahs second isnt going to be much considering how bad they are going to suck this year. and for those of you that are so incensed about this that you want to become fans of other teams... See ya, dont let the door hit ya on the ass on the way out...you werent real die-hard Rockets fans to begin with.
WTF Amaechi is a stupid BRITON. WTF. And a first rounder? Oh god...MCM132238 your trades are better than this BS. Lol..I was wondering why the hell there were 287 members on.......but wouldn't load. This is sad! Please update us!
