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OFFICIAL: Rice to Utah for John Amaechi

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by A-Train, Sep 30, 2003.

  1. spaceboy

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    lol, they better be. this trade is just awful!

    if it was Kirilenko for Rice and a 1st round, I will kinda understand. But Amaechi?
     
  2. sun12

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    Anybody wants to compare John Amaechi and Cato's stats?

    Cato is pretty smart. At the beginning of last season, Cato said: "If we don't make the playoff this year, somebody has to go." haha

    Amaechi had a good season in Orlando 10.5ppg, 3.3rpg in 20 minutes of playing time.

    Last season, he had 2ppg, 1.5rpg in 10 minutes of playing time/game.

    Cato had 4.5ppg, 6rpg/game in 17 minutes/game last season.

    Amaechi is a weak rebounder. Scoring wise, they are pretty similar.
     
  3. eyeagainst

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    I hope Les and Carol thought this up, and have something good up their sleeve, cause this trade is extremely $hiT
     
  4. No Chance

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    Can John Amaechi even pass the ball or catch passes? I cannot remenber if he can even do that?
    I feel like we just got bent over!
     
  5. Agent86

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    In Rudy We Trust

    o wait...

    hes gone

    nevermind, were screwed :)
     
  6. ArtV

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    He shoots in the 30s% - FT in the 40%. 30s! I'd think dunks alone should raise his avg. Plus he TOs to A ratio is near double. And a weak rebounder. And he makes 4.5 million. Why?
     
  7. sweetie

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    See,this is the diffrerence between Bob McNair and Les. If Les is really this cheap,team Yao will take notice and you beat your ass Ming will leave in 2 years. (I know he is undercontract,but he can still demand a trade in 2 yrs if this crap continues ie: no playoffs,dumb trades, losing Kenny,losing Posey, losing Rice for NOTHING)
     
  8. sun12

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    It is good to be a center! haha
     
  9. ron413

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    610 AM Radio said they contacted Glen Rice for a few comments and Rice says he wont talk right now cause he is stunned.
     
  10. pasox2

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    Who is the other player? Does Utah take someone else's trash now, as part of a three way to get us a real player?

    Utah needed to sign more salary to make the minumum. Utah got a nice short contract in Rice, and exit from Meech, so now they owe us a favor.

    That's what I'm hoping. We can obviously now move Cato. We can move Cuttino. We could move either Taylor or EG in the right deal. We need a sf and/or a REAL pf, and a guard that can pass, play defense, set picks, hit the open jumper or play the 2-man game p&r on the weak side. That would put Yao and Steve strongside where the double will always give us an advantage.
     
  11. ROXTXIA

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    Has it occurred to no one what kind of flexibility this gives us?

    We get a large trade exception.

    We don't need no more stinkin rookies.

    We can trade our overpaid backup center if necessary.

    If you want to get really high on crack, Houston, Indiana, and Seattle all have trade exceptions now. I won't say "Rashard"---oops---but anything could be coming along now.

    And we had to get hosed on a trade because the Jazz know that this could help us in other trades.
     
  12. Raven

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    If the Rockets gave up a first round pick, I will absolutely stop supporting the franchise until the GM is replaced.

    This is easily one of the worst moves the Rockets have ever made.

    I'll seriosly just become a Mavs fan.

    Raven
     
  13. Sherlock

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    Guys, this gives us 6 million more in cap room now, not next summer. It allows us to sign a few players, who are good deals, such as Jim Jackson, Anthony Mason, Stephen Jackson, etc., and possibly make a trade ... we were really hamstrung to pick up anyone right now.

    The bottom line, is we didn't want to use Rice's contract to pick up someone else's contract next summer in trade, and we obviously didn't expect Rice to contribute that much this year beyond guys we could pick up with his money. Amechi is insurance, even though a seious waste of money. Yeah, Amechi sucks, but, he get's paid less than Moochie, at an expensive position.

    <b>I like the move.</b> There's a number of free agents out there who are cheap, who we can snap up, and still keep below the luxury tax. Utah is so far below the cap, they could absorb Rice's salary, so we didn't have to match salaries within 15%. It also helps Utah get to the minimum required players they need. I sortof feel sorry for Rice in Utah, though.
     
  14. jason0215

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    WTF???? THEN I WANT POSEY BACK YOU MONEY SAVING B*TCHES!!!
     
  15. Easy

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    Amaechi's career achievements:

    Named to the 1999-2000 NBA All-Interview First Team

    Scored the first basket in Miami's AmericanAirlines Arena, and the first NBA points in the new millenium on 1/2/00

    Tied for sixth in media voting for the NBA's Most Improved Player Award in 1999-2000

    One of only seven undrafted players to start an NBA game in 1999-2000



    Yoohoo!
     
  16. garthomps

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    Rockets trade Glen Rice, sign Jim Jackson
    By JONATHAN FEIGEN
    Copyright 2003 Houston Chronicle
    RESOURCES

    The Rockets picked up spending money by dealing veteran forward Glen Rice, then spent some of that cash by signing free agent shooter for hire Jim Jackson today.

    Rockets general manager Carroll Dawson said the deals were made to move the Rockets away from an expected luxury tax hit without hurting themselves and potentially strengthening the roster at small forward.

    "It's just so much easier to live under the cap," Dawson said. "If you can't do that, you try to live under the luxury tax (because of) the restrictions. This enabled us to get under the luxury tax and enabled us to get Jim Jackson."

    "Glen leaving left a hole. We had to do something. This enabled us to do both."

    The Rockets sent Rice, in the final season of a contract worth $9 million, to Utah in exchange for center John Amaechi, giving them a savings of $6.5 million. Having moved under the expected luxury tax threshold, they were free to sign Jackson to the $1.25 million of mid-level exception money left after the off-season signings of Adrian Griffin and Eric Piatkowski.

    The trade with the Jazz also gave the Rockets a $6.5 million trade exception, allowing them to take a player that makes as much as $6.5 million more than a player traded in any deal for the next 12 months. Though such a deal would return the Rockets to a luxury tax hit, the trade exception is considered valuable for future trades and especially when acquired after the summer free agency period because it could potentially be used in a sign-and-trade deal after next summer.

    The Rockets will also send the Jazz undisclosed "draft considerations" and cash, and the Rockets will receive a future second-round pick.

    Rice, who had been house hunting in Houston this week, said he was not ready to comment.

    "I'm still collecting my thoughts," he said.

    But Dawson said the deals were not made to move Rice, who had played for Rockets coach Jeff Van Gundy for one season in New York, but to move his contract.

    Jackson, who will turn 33 this month, has averaged 15.5 points per game in his career, making 43 percent of his shots. He has also averaged 4.7 rebounds and 3.4 assists.

    Signed during the season by the Kings last season, he averaged 7.7 points, making 44.2 percent of his shots, 4.2 rebounds and 1.9 assists.

    Ameachi, 32, has averaged 6.2 and 2.6 rebounds per game in five NBA seasons with the Cavaliers, Magic and Jazz. He struggled badly as a free agent pickup in Utah, averaging two points and 1.5 rebounds last season.
     
  17. crash5179

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    Sherlock,

    This is a horrible trade. Jackson is a nice addition but this trade still sucks because it did not bring in Jim Jackson.

    Atlanta traded Glen Robinson for Terrell Brandon. Rice and Brandon Basically have the same contracts that come off at the end of the year. Rice is the only one that will see playing time this year.

    Someone of Robinsons talent was basically traded for an expiring contract and nothing else. We traded the same expiring contract for John Amaechi! What gives?

    To pour salt in the wound we also trade a first rounder for 2 second rounders. This is just to prevent less from having a garunteed contract he has to pay and not to improve our team.

    I'm Pissed!
     
  18. aelliott

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    We've now got a $6.5M trade exception. That gives us tremendous flexibiliity in making a deal.
     
  19. crash5179

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    There it is guys, right out of the horses mouth. This is nothing more than a move to trim salery. This move had nothing to do with improving our team.
     
  20. bottlerocket

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    After all the thread that was posted in dealing Rice they got this sheety deal?

    Goes to show that the Rockets don't look at or pay much attention to clutchcity.net. There were several scenarios that members have posted that sounded better than what the Rockets orchestrated.
     

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