I thought the Deus Ex Super Happy Fun Slide was pretty cheap too... but it's still one of my alltime favorite movies.
Well C3PO can get annoying, but no more annoying tha he usually is..that is in his character after all. Luke is obnoxious, but no more than Hayden...that is, after all in their characters. Falling into the "chute," well that does seem pretty convenient. I always wondered about that. Did he use the force there? In any case, maybe I should have said Ep IV and VI because Empire is near flawless and the best of the series. The only real plothole you could say (which incidentallyi works n the context of everything) was the Leia and Luke kiss because at the time I believe they weren't written as twins which would make the kiss fine. Now, not so. BUt still, it works because she did it only to enrage Han, plus the kiss has become stuff of legend, one of the classic moments of the movie and the series. And as for IV and VI...watching it now...there are some pretty dull moments in there and even though I don't have a problem w/ the Ewoks it might have given better credibility to the battle on Endor if they were Wookies instead. Plus, the Stormtroopers...well yeah... they suck...how can a squad of super soldiers (there had to still be some clones mixed in there) and the emperor's ELITE squadron get ownded by cute, little, furry creatures.
Luke is only obnoxious when he first arrives on Dagobah, and frankly, could you blame with the way Yoda acted when they met? 3PO is annoying, but he's always been that way. Plus his back-and-forth with Han Solo and R2 are great. "Never tell me the odds." As for the Fun Slide, yeah that did always bug me. Apparently according to the Behind the Magic Star Wars CD-Rom, those are garbage chutes that suck in any debris that's falling. So there's your explanation. A sound effect might've helped convey that of course. Damn! MR. MEOWGI beat me to it.
"Your ton-ton will die before you get to the South Ridge" "Then I'll see you in hell!" Sorry, but that was a pretty bad line, especially since Solo's character was one of the best written in the entire series...
Look, I don't want to take a lot of time ripping a movie that we both obviously love. Suffice it to say, Luke was obnoxious throughout his time on Dagobah - he just got less whiny. As far as the interaction with 3PO, that one Han line notwithstanding, most of the other characters comments to him were along the lines of, "Shut him up or shut him down" and "Shut up!" and "RRRRHHGHH" (when Chewbacca told him to "Be Quiet"). And as far as looking to that Behind the Magic Star Wars CD-ROM as to why Luke fell into that slide . . . in the words of someone far wiser than I:
Hey, that scene still bugs me. Did I not mention in my post that there should've been a sound effect in there?
This just hit me Obi Wan says at one point he thought he could train Anakin as well as Yoda Now . . . .I think about it YODA'S PADAWAN TURNED TOO . . . much older [Dooku] Rocket River
I would have thought, after nearly 30 years, that people would have learned enough by now to not try and fall back on the 'dialogue and plot' crutch of a criticism for a Star Wars movie. How could you not know what you were expecting by this point, and enjoy the movie for what you should be expecting? Anyone who believes that the original trilogy somehow did not suffer from the very same 'dialogue and plot' problems is just blinded by a severe bout of nostalgia.
the guy that is most responsible for the fall of the Republic, the death of all the jedi is .................Qui Gon Jinn. thats right i said it. if that dumbass hadnt picked up little Ani none of this would have happened. even Yoda said the boy should not be trained as a jedi. but Qui Gonn had to do it, and part of the blame could also fall on Obi Wann. i was glad when Darth Maul killed his ass.
I dunno that explanation comes straight from the movie w/ no other external sources. And honestly, I think it's a little too convenient. Palpatine was a master manipulator. He knows Anakin doesn't have a father and knows Anakin is afraid to lose Padme. But, oh wait, it just so happens that this Plagius guy was so powerful he could induce childbirth through the force. And oh yeah, he just happened to know the secrets (powers) to immortality. But there's one catch, you have to learn the dark side of the force. I'm sorry that just seems to easy and convenient. I think it makes more sense that Palpatine knows Anakin's weaknesses so concocts lies and half truths to maniuplate his emotions and seduce him to the dark side. Hell even Yoda said in ROTJ, after Luke says to him he can't die, that he's strong w/ the force, but not that strong. So you telling me that the most powerful jedi in the galaxy isn't strong enough w/ the force to cheat death but Darth Plagius, and in turn, Darth Sidious are. I just don't buy that. I look at that scene as Palpatine exposing Anakin's weaknesses to his advantage, just like he exposed Anakin's other weaknesses, such as his ambition (Ep II he tells him he can become more powerful than Yoda)
i came out of the movie dissapointed. not DD dissapointed but i can see where he's coming from. i'll still watch it again and buy the dvd when it come out but it's not that great of a movie particualrly when compared to empire and even a new hope. i will say that the lightsaber "duel" in a new hope is as cringing to watch as anything in these prequels, including the vader frankenstein scene. my main problem: hayden christiansan is a terrible, terrible, terrible actor and he is the main freaking character of the entire star wars universe. that f#$ks it up for me. say what you want about mark hamil but he looks like deniro next to this kid. put it up to the first two and obviously this one looks genius but they could have made it out of puppets like team america and still got better results than those piles of crap. really though, is it even possible to f#$k up the story of anakin turning into vader?
Anyone see Shattered Glass? Hayden was great in that movie. So, IMO, Hayden's not the terrible actor everyone thinks he is -- he's another victim of Lucas' inability to direct humans. (see Portman, Natalie and Jackson, Samuel L) p.s. Is it true that Leo turned down the role of Anakin? He could've been good.
I don't think you can blame QuiGon, if it's anyone, it's gotta be JarJarBinks! That ass was the one who proposed granting Palpatine executive powers hence kick starting everything..
you may be missing the entire point. anakin ultimately fulfills the prophecies and "brings balance to the force" (whatever that means) by destroying the dark sith lord. it takes him until ROTJ to do that...but he does it.
http://stuffo.howstuffworks.com/sith16.htm After the Battle of Endor, the Sith continued to cause problems for the fledgling New Jedi Order established by Jedi master Luke Skywalker. Using the deepest and darkest of the Sith arts, the ghost of Emperor Palpatine (Darth Sidious) eventually found its way to a new clone body. In an attempt to stop the new Emperor, Luke traveled to face him on the dark world of Byss. This resurrected Sith Lord managed to turn Skywalker to the Dark Side, but he was later saved by his Jedi sister, Princess Leia Solo. Later, the ghost of ancient Sith Lord Exar Kun was awakened from its sleep deep within the Temples of Yavin IV when Luke set out to establish a new Jedi Academy in the old ruins. Kun's spirit corrupted two of Luke's students and trapped the Jedi Master in a spirit realm before Luke and his students were able to destroy the specter. They did this by using the light side of the Force to fight Kun in both the corporeal and spirit realms. It's clear that as long as there are Jedi in the galaxy, there will also be the potential for the Sith to rise again.
the moniker xcharged contains 4 of the 5 letters in Darth. Freaker, YOU are a SITH LORD, aren't you? I knew it. You're the one that smells rotten in this office. I thought it was the fattyman here.
Our team at work saw it together as well. [Spoilers] I agree that the dialogue could have been better. I thought Anakin had the most cheesy lines. I thought Obi-Wan was absolutely cold at the end. He could have put him out of his misery instead of leaving him to suffer. If the Jedi council is based on bringing people to fair trial, why did most seem to prefer to kill them or let them lay on the ground with no limbs. It's no wonder that Anakin feels so betrayed. Overall, I loved the story more than all of them, but I'm dark like that. [Spoilers/]
