I don't see how knowing what is going to happen makes it more heartwrenching. Esp when they don't do a good job convincing why he goes over to the darkside. "Luke, I am your father." Classic scene and twist. "What have I done?" or *frankenstein lumbering, monotone*"Nooooooo" are blah. Glad someone enjoyed that Padme/anakin scene, personally I was thinking, wtf, move on already, this is pointless.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/usatoday/20050524/bs_usatoday/groupasksburgerkingtohaltstarwarsdeal Group asks Burger King to halt 'Star Wars' deal By Bruce Horovitz, USA TODAY Tue May 24, 6:21 AM ET The Force may - or may not - be with Burger King's latest Star Wars-themed Kids Meals. One day after a record-shattering weekend for Star Wars, Episode III: Revenge of the Sith, an advocacy group is asking Burger King to stop the tie-in of its Kids Meals with the film because it is rated PG-13. The same group, Dove Foundation, got McDonald's 13 years ago to apologize for "confusion" from its promotion of PG-13 Batman Returns with Happy Meals. Now, it's going after BK's latest Kids Meal promotion - targeted at kids ages 4 to 9. The meals feature characters from Sith or other Star Wars films. "When Burger King puts that in a Kids Meal, there's an implicit endorsement of the movie," says Dick Rolfe, chairman of Dove Foundation. This is no small matter. Product licensing and promotion is a $100 million annual business. Since the first Star Wars was released in 1977, the six films have racked up almost $9 billion in merchandise sales and product promotions. For Burger King, the stakes are huge. The No. 2 burger chain is in the 16th month of a major rebound. The Star Wars promotion, dubbed "Choose Your Destiny," is the 50-year-old chain's first global promotion. Burger King officials insist the promotion isn't specific to the latest film (the others are rated PG), but one that relates to the chain's long-term relationship with the Star Wars franchise. Executives point out that only four of the 31 Kids Meal toys are specific to Sith. The toys "clearly celebrate not just one film but the entire Star Wars saga," says Edna Johnson, a Burger King spokeswoman. "The reception at our restaurants and from our customers has been overwhelmingly positive." But Rolfe says "the tie-in is very specific to this film." Wrappers around Kids Meal toys all promote Sith, he notes. Dove Foundation, a non-sectarian family advocacy group, sent an overnight letter to Burger King last Thursday requesting the promotion be stopped. It also conducted a national phone survey of 889 adults and says 83% felt the promotion was not appropriate for kids. Another critic says the fault isn't that of Burger King but Star Wars creator George Lucas. "It's irresponsible of George Lucas to OK the marketing around this PG-13 movie to young children," says Susan Linn, a Harvard psychologist and author of Consuming Kids: The Hostile Takeover of Childhood. "Star Wars is broader than a single movie," says Lynn Fox, a LucasFilm spokeswoman. "Parents know that Star Wars has been a positive influence." Does anyone else picture the head of the Dove Foundation being Ned Flanders?
Real Shady -- I took my 5 year old to see this movie. I don't think it was nearly as bad as what others here said in terms of violence. But I did find it a bit funny to hear Lucas say over and over again that he wasn't taking his own child to see this very dark and violent movie...yet he was targetting kids like crazy through kids meal promotions and incessant ads on Nickelodeon. That does seem a bit off to me.
You forgot the rest of that scene: "No . . . that's not true . . . that's impossible . . . NOOOOOOOOO WAAAAHHHH!!!!" Apparently Skywalkers don't take bad news with much dignity.
Well I guess its kind of hard to explain...but knowing what he's going to become and seeing the mess he's going through and knowing that deep down Anakin is good, I just didnt want to see him fall down that path - to turn against his fellow jedi, against Padme, against Obi Wan - even though I knew it was inevitable. Seein the pain on his face after killing the Separitist leaders and knowing that the worst was still to come for him yet there was nothin he could do to stop it. It just made that more painful to watch. And see I know a number of people had a problem w/ how he turned, but I honestly had no qualms about it. Yeah you can't compare a line like "what have I done" to "Luke, I am your father." But still that line was very telling of the emotions and confusion Anakin was going through. Palpatine played his emotions so well that Anakin believed the only way to save Padme was through him, that Palpatine held the secret to immortaliy. So Anakin stopped Mace from killing him...but when Palpatine killed Mace, Anakin realized the consequences of his actions and became even more confused. He had just betrayed his fellow Jedi, so naturally he asks himself "what have I done." He can't turn back now so he naturally finds justification for what he did, thereby making himself truly believe he did it in the interest of the Republic, that the Jedi were in fact the wrong ones, the ones trying to take over. For me it makes perfect sense. He turned to the Dark side for Padme, but found justificaiton in doing so by believing it was in the best interest of the Republic. And shoot I thought that Anakin/Padme scene was one of the best sequences in the film. To each his own
good point. not very well delivered. but it's still classic. i love that movie! i just think we tend to overlook the faults in those movies because they're part of what we saw growing up...and we damn the newer ones for the very same warts.
and, frankly, all of that speaks to the conflict that Luke feels within Vader in ROTJ. it speaks to why Luke says he could still feel "good" in him. because he is always conflicted. this turn to the bad isn't nearly as sudden or probelmatic as his sudden turn to the good at the end of ROTJ. that comes out of freaking nowhere. he's mocking luke and his sister...he gets his ass beat down...next thing, he's getting up saving Luke's life. huh?? that one always puzzled me.
Has anyone gotten some of those Burger King toys. They look ridiculously cute (Ahem, but in a manly sort of way). I'll try and grab a couple, but there's 31 of them, so there's no way I'd go for the set.
I didn't think it was all that violent either. Not really sure I buy the PG-13 rating myself. I find some of the sexual innuendo(even though it may fly over children's heads initially) in the family cartoons out there a lil more alarming than a few somewhat graphic death scenes. And about the scene with the younglings ... I thought that scene could have been handled better myself. I didn't necessarily want to see the kids slaughtered or anything, but it moved by a lil too fast for my tastes, like they were sweeping it away or something. Coulda been a tad more dramatic. I mean they had Obiwan striking dbz and superman poses, but they couldn't at least show the kids reactions and a lil pause there? And plz don't ever even remotely compare something Lucas did with Hitchcock.
not saying lucas is hitchcock. saying it's a borrowed technique. not showing stuff creates mystery around it that leaves detail open to the imagination. i think that's a pretty good technique...particularly for this scene in this particular movie.
I really didn't see that as bad as the other lines I mentioned. I thought it was delivered fairly well. I could see where others might cringe I guess, but it didn't have that effect on me.
Me neither. I get chills watching that scene even today. But I grew up with the movies as did most of us. But I wonder what we might have said had Empire been released in 2005: "I thought that scene could have been handled differently. The Vader line was great, don't get me wrong. I was in total shock. But when Luke yelled 'Nooo!!' like a little sissy and then started crying, I was completely taken out of the moment. I was like, 'This whiny, pansy-ass is supposed to save the galaxy from tyranny? Yeah right.' It was good scene, but it could have been done better, IMHO.
Yah, I just couldn't see that turn at all because it was so quick ... being conflicted one moment to being ready to betray everyone he held dear, including his supposed love, in the next. Yeah, he cut off Mace's hand, but that doesn't necessarily mean, oh he's instantly evil and willing to do whatever. I could see why he stops Mace in that certain position ..., because he thinks what Mace is doing is wrong or maybe that Sidious actually does have the key to stopping death, but it's pretty apparent that after Mace is killed by Sidious and Sidious pretty much admits he doesn't know how to cheat death that he had made a wrong decision. I just don't see how that = 18 years of servitude, knowing his past, his future, and esp w/o the reason he wanted the power in the first place(Padme, his mother, the people he cared about basically). The scenes throughout the prequels where Palpatine was goading Anakin were nowhere near powerful enough. They didn't show how he would trust Palpy over his comrade Obiwan, esp when they had Anakin thanking him and them being buddy buddy even in this movie. I think the turning could have definitely been more convincing, but Lucas wasn't the man for the job apparently.
It's funny knowing how it's all going to end, but watching the story unfold was also difficult for me. I kept half-hoping that Annakin wouldn't turn to the dark side. This might be blasphemy for some of you, but it reminds me of the first time I watched Titanic. I kept thinking that just maybe the ship wouldn't go down even though I knew that's what would happen. I'm looking forward to seeing this one again.
I just took 30 people from my company to see it and all I got to say is... Lucas needs to stop making movies NOW !! That was AWFUL !!!! Plot was bad, dialogue horrible, and some badly acted. I nearly fell asleep 3 times......the only cool bits were the fight scenes and the space scenes. This was a " B " movie with groovy special effects, I want those 2 hours of my life back.... DD
