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[Official] Red Sox vs. Astros

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by Castor27, Aug 5, 2013.

  1. The Beard

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    yea i'd need to see him against quality competition before i would believe he has a chance to make it
     
  2. HstnSprtsFan101

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    In comes Wesley Wright..
     
  3. tellitlikeitis

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    The bullpen is clutch.

    Huh?
     
  4. tellitlikeitis

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    ...and then because of what I just said, they'll give up 4 or 5 in the 9th
     
  5. MadMax

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    In 2 starts so far, Oberholtzer has been nothing short of awesome.
     
  6. tellitlikeitis

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    Holy Josh Fields.


    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Fields now has 11 Ks in his last 4.2 innings. Really pitching well of late.</p>&mdash; Kevin Goldstein (@Kevin_Goldstein) <a href="https://twitter.com/Kevin_Goldstein/statuses/364588557899276289">August 6, 2013</a></blockquote>
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  7. CometsWin

    CometsWin Breaker Breaker One Nine

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    How did Oberholtzer look? Damn you Comcast.
     
  8. boozle222

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    This is incredible!
     
  9. Uprising

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    Nice, blanking the Sox. 2 shut out starts....for 14 innings?
     
  10. juicystream

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    Kept waiting for us to blow it. Team held strong. This is the Josh Fields I expected.
     
  11. Nick

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    Obie proving that lefties who have decent control can always pitch in the big leagues.

    He's handled two monster lineups thus far.
     
  12. kevC

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    White Sox also won so didn't lose ground either :cool:. Wouldn't mind them having identical records going forth. #LoseOnForRodon
     
  13. juicystream

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    What if...







    ...The Bourn trade actually works out. :eek::eek::eek:
     
  14. Joshfast

    Joshfast "We're all gonna die" - Billy Sole
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    shhhhhh don't jinx it! :cool:
     
  15. TimPoopura

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    This is way too nerdy, but...

    I've had conversations with some friends about this exact topic, and the idea of the time-value of Wins-Above-Replacement. Like any investment, you'd be OK giving up 5 wins over 3 years if it meant getting a good return in years 4-6. In a way, you could think about WAR from the traded players as "returns" on the investment, and then just chart out what you gave up and what you got for a period of 4-6 years.

    Anyway, the basic point is that receiving more wins sooner is better - if you give up Bourn, you either want prospects who are close to contributing at the major league level, or you want guys who are further away but will contribute greatly once they do arrive.

    With the Bourn trade, we may have only received Oberholtzer as a guy that will ever add any value to the major league club. And to the extent that Obie does add value, as a #4 or #5 starter it may be less value than we gave up in Bourn (a very good player). In effect, we gave up about 3.0 WAR in 2011 and 6.0 WAR in 2012, and we received (to date) about -1.2 WAR. Discount that back to present value and, holy crap, that's a bad trade.

    Cliffs: for our return on investment to work out on that Bourn trade, Obie needs to be a damn ace. We'll always have lost the Bourn trade :(
     
  16. juicystream

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    Not really. He just needs to be good. Clemens could also still provide value.

    Another factor is the team saved x-amount of dollars. You can also factor in those 9 wins would have been worthless to us.

    So far the big Braves prospects haven't shown much return either.
     
  17. bobloblaw

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    The last time the Astros went up against a knuckle-baller was RA Dickey on July 26th... They knocked him for 5 runs and 7 hits. I think our run support tonight should be decent. However, in Lyles' last 7 games he has given up: 5,4,2,4,9,4 and 3 ER. Hopefully he can get back on track tonight and the Astros can win this series.
     
  18. bobloblaw

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    Also, it's nice having Steve Sparks as a radio commentator. He has apparently pitched BP before both the Jays and tonight's game to get the hitters accustomed to seeing the knuckleball.
     
  19. rocketpower2

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    Lyles getting it up to 94. Wow.
     
  20. tellitlikeitis

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    That's a regular occurrence for Lyles.

    And, this guy is definitely not Tim Wakefield.
     

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