Official "React Viscerally and Joyfully to Carlos Beltran's Laughable Failure" Thread

I got some small sense of satisfaction, but really I don't care about the traitorous moleface anymore. So he hired Satan himself to represent him and then screwed us over, it's not like I want to cave his face in with a nail-riddled 2X4 or anything...

 

Exactly. Even though I loved seeing him K, I still have some throwup in my mouth from knowing the Cards advanced.

Damnit Stros!

 

I hear Beltran and Wagner share the same favorite food ........artiCHOKES !!!!

 

As much as I hate Beltran, we could have kept him if we just threw in a "no trade" clause. He would have taken "less money" (the whole no income tax deal) and everything would have been just dandy. Did everyone forget that?

As much as I hate Beltran for leaving, I effing hate the Cards. I hate how Pujols stares at his home run for like 15 minutes and whipping out a camera to take pictures of himself. I wish the 'stros finished them off when they had the chance. *sigh*

 

same here

some people seem to hold grudges forever...

 

here's the thing, I can't fault beltran for going to the mets since they gave him a no trade kicker.

Everything being equal plus the kicker was what drove him to the mets. I don't see anything wrong in that.

I personally would've rather seen the mets go to the series to get crushed by the tigers, but o well.

 

Quit hating on Beltran. He almost only single handedly got the Astros to their first WS. He's the king of baseball. Only Prince Albert is the heir to his throne.

 

and left just in time for us to get there without him.

newsflash - Carlos Beltran still in batters box sitting on a fastball

 

Quit hating on Beltran? In the historic words of Ozzie Guillen: "psshhh....please."

I freaking can't stand Beltran. I loved watching him go down without a fight. How in the world can you stand there and watch that pitch go by in THAT situation??? You're swinging at anything remotely close. I guess he was looking fastball the whole time...but how stupid is that, given how often Wainwright had gone to the curve??? Guess what Carlos...since you left, the 'stros won the pennant!! How are things there???

I freaking can't stand the Cardinals. But I found myself rooting for them because the Mets were among the first teams in all of pro sports (along with the celtics and lakers) I truly hated because of what they'd done to my team. And the Mets did so with that freaking classless bunch of jackasses. That's how I'll forever view the NY Mets. The Sewer Rats.

As hard as it is for me to believe this....I'll root for the Cards in the WS. I'm soooo tired of hearing the NL get dogged. I would love to see them beat the AL's best. I have to hold my nose everytime Pujols steps up to bat...and I can't stand their logo or LaRussa or their lame fans or anything else about them...but they're playing for the NL, so I'll be rooting for them.

 

He couldn't hit Suppan in game 7 in 2004 either.

 

No... but you're the only one who actually believed that sob story spun out there by Boras.

Even more reason to hate him... when he never had any intention of coming here, and finally went somehwere else, he STILL had to protect his image by saying that it was the Astros fault.

I'm now happy that it was essentially Beltran and Billy Wagner who lost that series for the Mets (Billy's performance being so bad this series, that they have Adam Heilman pitching the 9th for them). Priceless.

(btw... if Beltran is the "king" of that team, then Delgado is the ruthless dictator who is really running the show, and has the 'king' by his balls. Seriously, take Delgado off that team and Beltran gets no protection... ballgame).

 

How does that work? That's like saying Scott is the king of the Astros because he provides protection to Berkman, even though Berkman (and Beltran) *by far* put up the better numbers. Take Delgado off that team, and you still have David Wright back there, who's numbers were across the board better than Delgado (except HRs) - higher AVG, OPS, RBIs, etc. All of those players on that offense help each other (Delgado had protection from Wright, and had Reyes and Beltran on base for him all the time) - and Beltran had the best stats of all of them.

 

I just think Delgado is a great great GREAT hitter... the type of hitter that makes everybody better based on the threat of what he can do (and did do... especially in the playoffs... where he was better than Beltran and Wright).

He's also done nothing but HIT wherever he's gone... no "down" years, no "adjustment" years. Brought up in Toronto... hits. Goes to the Marlins... hits. Marlins sell him to the Mets.... hits.

You can't tell me he didn't have a HUGE role in helping Beltran feel more comfortable in NY, because he no longer had to be the 'man'.

Beltran is good... I just don't see him having as good of a year without Delgado on that team. He wouldn't be as bad as he was last year... but he still would have had all the pressure on him (and only him).

Berkman, on the other hand, did better than Beltran with absolutely no protection... across the board... imagine what he could have done with another proven hitter behind him.

 

Yes thank god Beltran struck out and humble individuals like LaRussa (future's so bright he's got to wear shades) and Pujols are now in the WS.

 

I agree that having Delgado on the team helps everyone else - but the same should be said for Reyes, Beltran, and Wright. Outside of HR's (where he's #2), Delgado is no better than 3rd on the team in any of the other categories (BA, R, RBI, Doubles, AVG, OPS, OBP, etc) and he's lower in many of those.

Beltran's numbers aren't really out of line from expectations, I don't think. Up until last year, he had improved in every year in the league and had shown no signs of that stopping. He hit 38 HRs and 36 Doubles in '04, and 41 and 38 this year, so it's right in line with his career progression. Certainly being in a good lineup helps - and Berkman's numbers could have been better in that lineup as well - but I don't think it's Delgado as much as it is the depth across the board in the lineup. Similiar to the Yankees - wherever you get stuck in there, you're going to be surrounded by All-Stars which just makes it that much easier.

 

Posted in the NLCS hangout thread, before I knew this one existed: Beltran will be seeing that first pitch meatball in his dreams this offseason. *That* was the pitch to crush. And he had to try & foul off the strike 3 hook, great pitch, but he had to try. He looked timid that whole AB.

Agreed with everything you posted...except for the WS. No way I can root for Pujols & LaGenius. Rest of the Cards are alright, some I really respect (Rolen, Eckstein, Carpenter, Suppan, Wilson), but those 2 I can't stand.

And I like the way the Tigers play ball. Smallball, longball, timely hitting, great starting pitching, lockdown pen...they've won just about every conceivable way this postseason. Plus, there's the turnaround after 20 years of suck. Plus that I don't want this generation of Cards (more especially, their lame fans) to celebrate a WS crown before the Stros.

What boggles my mind is Stros fans rooting for the Mets. The ******* mother****ing Mets. Of all the wrong in the world, that's about the most wronginest.

 

He couldn't even average 1.000 average for that series or hit a homerun every game. What a scrub.

 

i still like beltran and apreciate that playoff performance of 04

 

I'm over the beltran thing too. the mets were the lesser of 2 evils also. who wants to see the mediocre cards go to the WS. It's gonna be a bloodbath. I'd rather have a mets team that is capable(most of the time)of scoring and making it more interesting. congrats to the tigers. it's funny to me when i think about their pitchers losing 20 games not too long ago.