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[Official] Padres @ Astros

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by Castor27, Apr 21, 2008.

  1. stobbartjohn

    stobbartjohn Member

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    Ok, one more question. Is it a save OPPORTUNITY. When you get shown saves/opportunities does that include innings pitched in the 6th. Because I don't understand how it can count as an opp. Obviously only one save can be given out per game, so if Brocail comes in in the 7th on a 1 run lead and holds the lead, he gets a hold, not a save right? But if he gives up the lead it's a blown save? So when it says saves/opportunities someone can actually blow a save without actually having the opportunity to earn a save? That sucks for them I suppose.
     
  2. The Cat

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    Yup -- that's how the stat is calculated. It's a joke, but that's the way it is.
     
  3. JunkyardDwg

    JunkyardDwg Contributing Member

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    Valverde gets charged for the run and the bs, but the run won't be earned.
     
  4. The Cat

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    Yeah, that's exactly right.
     
  5. DOMINATOR

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    you only earn a save if you pitch in the 9th.
    all other innings are called Holds. but in all innings their called blown saves if you give up lead.
     
  6. BrooksBall

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    I looked it up. We scored 10+ runs 11 times last season but never back-to-back.
     
  7. JunkyardDwg

    JunkyardDwg Contributing Member

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    Ah but by that logic Backe would have already blown the save when he gave up the lead in the 6th. What a screwed up stat.
     
  8. Buck Turgidson

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    If a pitcher comes in with the lead in the 6th-8th, it's a save opportunity because he *could* finish the game & get a save.
     
  9. Nick

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    I kinda wish they did away with the saves stat... it definitely changes how managers manage the game these days (doing the "assigned role" bullpen, which basically limits good pitchers to 1 inning appearences).

    Damn you Tony LaRussa.
     
  10. DOMINATOR

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    No, because he was the starting pitcher. starters cant get a save because they didnt come into the game with a lead. you can't have a W/L and a S/BS.
     
  11. Nick

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    But if he gets the hold (and not the save), he doesn't get awarded the "save opportunity."
     
  12. stobbartjohn

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    Yeah, but my point is that if he pitches 6th,7th and 8th and holds the lead the entire time, he doesn't get a save. But if he gives up the lead in that time, he gets a blown save. Not really an "opportunity" as such. If that's your definition of an opportunity, I'd hate you to be my employer :D
     
  13. Buck Turgidson

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    And thus it's caused relief pitcher salaries to skyrocket.
     
  14. Puedlfor

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    Valverde won't get the run, but since he was in the game when the lead was lost - he gets the blown save.

    I think Brocail might get a hold, because he came into the game when his team had the lead, and left it the same way. But I don't know the ins and outs of that one.

    BTW - by my figuring, Tejada has hit 14/27 with 2 2B, 2HR and 9 RBI since the details of his "dark and shadowy" past were bravely exposed by E:60. Someone should see if he has anymore secrets - maybe an overdue library book, an unpaid parking ticket, perhaps he crossed the street without looking both ways once.
     
  15. H-townhero

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    Haha if it makes him hit like this, I'll get right on that...
     
  16. Buck Turgidson

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    Yeah, makes since don't it? I misread john's post that I replied to.
     
  17. JunkyardDwg

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    Well I know that, but still using that logic, that if you cough up the lead you get charged for the blown save, then Backe should essentially get a blown save. But obviously the starter can't get charged for it, but a reliever who comes into the game with a man on 3rd and less than 2 outs, does his job but still gives up a run, gets charged for a bs, instead of the man who put him in that situation in the first place. Just trying to point out the absurdity here.

    If you can only get a save in the ninth, then you should only be able to blow a save in the 9th. Maybe they should come up with a new stat...the blown hold or something.
     
  18. BrooksBall

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    Finally, Valverde gets a 1-2-3 inning.
     
  19. cardpire

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    wouldnt change anything at this point in time. managers dont manage the final innings of games based on a stat.

    that's like saying managers start their "starting pitchers" just to give them the best chance at the win stat. pitchers have their roles in bullpens, and the save stat doesn't determine them.
     
  20. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    In this case Brocail could not receive a blown save because he entered into a non-save situation (4+ run lead).

    At times it is absurd. Just like getting a save if you pitch the 9th with a 3 run lead and give up 2 runs. Or coming in with a 10-5 lead, bases loaded and two outs and get the third out.
     

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