Thing is we moved up to a spot higher than in any of those other trades, ie. the pick we got was worth more. Could we have gotten Babin at 29 or 30 maybe maybe no. Also the teams dropping down in both those trades did not drop as far as the Titans did from 27 to 40, the others... ATL from 29 to 38 and Lions up 6 spots from 36 to 30. We asked Tenn to drop 13 spots and still did it without giving away any picks next year, not a terrible move when you remember that those late round picks usually never contribute especially if we got the guy we wanted who just happens to fill a major need for us.
Disagree. You can find some very productive players in the 3rd and 4th rounds. Hell, Domanick Davis was a 4th rounder last year. Chris Simms was available with the final pick in last year's 3rd round.
Not a valid excuse. When building a franchise from scratch, you need depth and sure things. We don't have the luxury of wasting picks on projects when there are immediate holes to fill.
You just named two plyers out of two rounds, let's go through in five years and see how many of those 3 rd and 4th rounders make any significant impact and IMO the jury's still out albeit to different degrees on both players you listed.
2003 3rd Round CB. Ricky Manning Jr. OG. Derrick Dockery RB. Chris Brown RB. Onterrio Smith 2003 4th Round CB. DeJuan Groce RB. Quentin Griffin NT. Dan Klecko CB. Asante Samuel DT Rien Long
So, it's about a 1 in 6 chance of getting a significant player in the 3rd or 4th round? Personally, the 4th doesn't bother me (especially since the Texans do still have a 4th round pick). I would've preferred they keep the 3rd.
Selective...Perception... The draft is a crap shoot after the first 2 rounds. You make it sound like over half of the 3rd and 4th rounders were productive.
Exactly and it isn't like we're totally out of the game either, remember we still have 6 rolls of the dice on day two.
Here's the problem with the Babin deal: if he turns out to be a bust or sustains an injury, you get nothing but a CB and some longshots out of the entire 2004 draft. If you had taken players in the 2nd, 3rd, 4th you would probably get one impact player and and atleast one good back-up player. It's like the eggs in one basket parable.
And he took other players that led his teams to two Super Bowl championships. Charlie Casserly - 2 RIET - 0 I'm not going to say anything until we see how Babin performs for our team. Until then, I prefer not to be a hack and call one of the most respected NFL GMs of all time an idiot and pretend that I know more about drafting and talent evaluation than he does. Shouldn't be a shocker. Thats why I don't get stressed watching sports because I have confidence that our professional GMs know what they are doing, rather than trying to be an armchair GM and constantly rage against the machine. Id rather be on the side of people who know what they are doing, rather than have a constant chip on my shoulder because GMs never agree with my own analysis.
Babin was one of the guys that Titans had targeted with that pick. Texans must really love him because they paid a premium. The Titans got 2 DEs due to the plethora of extrra picks. Wow! They just got Randy Starks the DT from Maryland...
I'm not arguing with the pick. What I am pissed about is how much we gave up for him. I don't think you need to be a professional scout to know that a 2,3, and 4 to move down 13 spots late 1st/early 2nd is pricey. Drafting is an art, not a science. However, there is an actual draft guideline chart that shows how much each pick is worth relative to other picks. Irony galore considering Casserly was the beneficiary of the "Ricky Williams/ entire draft trade" that was ridiculed by everyone and ultimately cost Ditka his job. Somewhow I doubt New Orleans fans were comforted just because the decision was made by "professional management". The hack fans were pissed but what did they know compared to people who did it for a living. As a footbal fan for 27 years only someone like Bobby Beatherd would pull a bonehead move like this. Here's an Bobby Beatherd article: "...In Miami, Beathard's personnel wizardry helped the Dolphins win Super Bowls VII and VIII. In Washington, his masterworks were retooling an aging Redskins roster, creating the kings of Super Bowls XVII and XXII. Funny, if he had quit at age 58, after one last remarkable achievement -- lifting the lukewarm 1994 San Diego Chargers to Super Bowl XXIX -- by now we would be waxing ceremonial on Canton front steps, ready to cheer Bobby into the Pro Football Hall of Fame.... ...But in this game of autumn, a falling Leaf could be the Hall of Fame bust buster. For a generation, Beathard's philosophy was to leverage tomorrow, trading future No. 1 picks in search of immediate aces. For years, it worked. Lately, he has been burned. Bitten. Belittled. Tampa Bay was a beneficiary of Boss Charger's quick-draw mentality. Most notably in last month's draft. Two years ago, Beathard traded his top 2000 pick, getting the Bucs' 1998 second-rounder, which he spent on Stephen F. Austin wide receiver Mikhael Ricks. Packaging that No. 1 from San Diego with their own first-round choice, the Bucs traded with the New York Jets for Keyshawn Johnson. Tampa Bay fans can address thank you notes to Surfer Bob in care of the Chargers at P.O. Box 609609, San Diego 92160. Don't be too harsh. Beathard also traded his 1997 No. 1 to the Bucs for their 1996 second-rounder, used on Virginia Tech receiver Bryan Still, a mediocre pro. Tampa Bay invested that San Diego pick on Reidel Anthony, a Florida receiver whose results have been erratic. In six of the past seven drafts the Chargers had no No. 1 selections due to Beathard's itchy trigger finger. Their solitary first-rounder, that perplexing QB from Washington State, became the most damning move of Bobby's career. Actually, two concurrent misfires compounded into devastation for the old Dolphins-Redskins wonder boy. Bobby Beatherd - 4 Casserly - 2 Beatherd helped ruin the San Diego franchise after great runs in Miami and Washington
Damn, he wears Emmit's old number?! or rather we WORE... http://nfldraft.theinsiders.com/2/238579.html Julius Jones was far and away the best running back during the session. He displayed great footwork and explosive cutting ability, changing direction on a dime and making almost 90-degree turns to avoid the tackling dummies. He was one of the few that translated his forty speed around the corner during the outside drills and then looked very natural catching the ball. After a solid Senior Bowl week Jones is climbing toward the top 45 picks.
Yeah, and still you don't know how this move will turn out. A trade sacrificing depth for a higher pick isn't ALWAYS bad. Often it can be good. Can you explain more specifically why you think it was bad, and why it pisses you off, instead of posting general articles about how trading up can be bad. There are other things to consider, such as our cap, free agents on the market, and the strength of the draft that we should consider as well. Also, CC could have made the decision that a DE of this caliber may be more important than depth for the Texans right now. Our defensive line was pretty brutal last year.
Wouldn't surprise me if he wore 22 with the Cowboys. Certainly Michael Irvin's 88 is currently being worn on the field (and really, Irvin shouldn't have been wearing 88 anyway since it was Drew Pearson's number, and Emmitt shouldn't have been wearing 22 since it was Bob Hayes' number). Shoot, they let that Sherman Williams wear #20, and that was Mel Renfro's number. And they let some nobody named Keith O'Neal wear Chuck Howley's #54.