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**Official McGrady/Pistons 2010 Regular Season Thread**

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by emjohn, Oct 27, 2010.

  1. T-mac&Yao=RING

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    Tinman doesnt hate Tmac.
     
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    I don't think Tinman necessarily hates TMac (though it sure seems like it), I remember when I lurked this site years back he was pretty excited about the trade. I think he's peeved about the people who say crazy stuff like *cough* Orlando TMac was as talented as Jordan.
     
  3. T-mac&Yao=RING

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    Ok you and I both know Tracy number shouldnt be retired in Houston I think most people know that, so why if one fan says something like maybe it does you let it get to you so much. Why not just let that fan think what he wants and you think what you want but no you have to go on and on about the Dream and the rest of the history about the Rockets. Something else you need to know that when Tracy was in his PRIME it was a good debate about who was better him or Kobe, so its not that crazy for people to say that because thats all I heard back then and I know you heard it too. Now if anyone says that Tracy after 06-07 is better than Kobe then yes they have problems.

    I dont know where you get the Tracy is better than Shaq because I never heard anyone say that. And yes Tracy wasnt the only reason for the 22 game win steak I think most fans know that but he was our best player. I think its only fair that sometimes the best player get a lot of credit the same way you give the best player blame when the team doesnt win, just like you give Tracy most of the blame for not making it out of the first round.

    I will say that some of his failures are his own fault and I put some of the blame on his body. And who the hell compared Tracy with Farve and Mike?
     
  4. tinman

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    http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showpost.php?p=5260456&postcount=23
     
  5. tinman

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    Some of the tmac fans have their history all messed up and less credit to him.

    that dude for example said he wouldn't know if Tmac staying with Toronto would have helped the Raptors the next year.

    I give credit to Tmac KNOWING that the Raptors were one basket away from beating the Eastern Conference champs of that year, the Sixers. Tmac would have helped the Raptors , but he left.

    Don't the tmac fans know the tmac history?
     
  6. T-mac&Yao=RING

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    you were right. I was excited about the trade like every Rockets fan. I didn't like Juwan Howard though, he wasn't starter material, but I thought it was ok as a bench player

    I defended Tmac against YOFs cause they always blamed Tmac for everything.
    they gave Yao too much credit, to me Yao didn't earn it yet.

    Later on, a fellow 99er criticized Tmac and I didn't really believe his attitude was a problem. However, Tmac kept disappointing me. I didn't like how he was quoted in SI making excuses, "I wish I had a Tim Duncan".

    But the TOFs started making Tmac greater than he really was and it became embarrassing. The Orlando Tmac references in the GARM were pissing me off big time. Do they not appreciate Houston Tmac?

    Well tmac was a scoring champion in Orlando.. guess what? we got that, he's not going to be scoring champ playing with Yao Ming.. duh

    then the TOFs went a string of "What if" threads that could fill up a library.

    then the jealousy of Kobe threads and the epic r****ded "Healthy Tmac stopping Kobe" thread was a complete lie and quite embarrassing posting Orlando TMac in the GARM.

    Then I decided to test the TOFs' knowledge of NBA basketball, like the who's the best player ever in Orlando history. TOFs said he was better than Shaq.

    Then threads like this totally proved my point that TOFs knowledge of the NBA was imaginary.
     
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    This one blew my mind.

    Prime Drexler took two teams to the NBA Finals and faced off with Michael Jordan himself. 3 NBA Finals.

    and 54% think that Tmac > Drexler?


    http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=137429

    View Poll Results: Which player would you rather have on your team? (in their prime)
    Tmac 278 54.09%
    Drexler 236 45.91%
     
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    I think the Bucks should have beat the Sixers if that ball hog Glen Robinson would pass the ball to Ray Allen and Cassell.

    Cassell was posting up MVP Iverson and scoring on him.
     
  11. Codeo

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    You didn't ask who had a more successful career, you asked which player you would rather have on your team. You do see the difference, no?
     
  12. T-mac&Yao=RING

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    Yea but remember Iverson also missed a game so that heled the Bucks win one more game.
     
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    it says in their prime
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    How does your video prove that a prime Drexler would contribute more?
     
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    i've watched prime drexler, the video just shows how athletic he was.

    i've seen 'prime' tmac too.

    Drexler, he was tougher and didn't rely a jumper, he attacked the basket and was unstoppable on the break and in the open court

    it's really easy if you seen them both play
     
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    I think Untill Prince is traded, i dont expect huge offensive nights just yet. He will continue to make the extra passes and run the offense. Plus Arnie Kander did say it will take till mid january before tracy will move at full speed.
     
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    Finally, a sensible post..
     
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    Oh really? T-mac relied on his jumper? T-mac didn't attack the basket?

    All clips taken from the 07-08 season I believe.

    <object style="height: 390px; width: 640px"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/tsQDv5DVsSE?version=3"><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"><param name="allowScriptAccess" value="always"><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/tsQDv5DVsSE?version=3" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" allowScriptAccess="always" width="640" height="390"></object>

    These are some of my favorite moments..

    4:50 drives through the lane for massive dunk.
    5:52 pump fakes a shot then drives in for a dunk (thats what your jumper creates for you)
    6:15 dives on the floor to steal the ball away rom Kobe
    6:22 crosses up Najera nasty and then goes and dunks it
    8:18 blows by Korver for a nasty left handed dunk.

    Don't get it twisted, he was blessed with a sweet jumper, but he did drive it to the basket for a lot of shots.
     
  20. emjohn

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    Disagree (1)

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    (1) McGrady has good vision and finds guys, but "much better" than Drexler? Major overstatement at best.

    (2) Horsecrap. Are you basing this off of career 3 pt %? Clyde was miserable from deep his first several years, but was a 34% guy his last 5 years, same as Tracy's norm (only one full season besting 36%). And unlike Tracy, Clyde was money inside the arc with a great mid-range jumper. 2PT%, TS%, eFG%...Clyde bested Tracy, and in a defensively-dominant era. And if you ever want a good quick sense of good shooters, check FT%. Shaq and Ray Allen may have similar FG%...but FT% tells you who actually has a jumper. (There are exceptions, Duncan being a major one).

    (3) No way. As a machine gunning scorer, sure. But McGrady had a lot more in common with Iverson that people wanted to admit. Ball dominator, high volume of shots*, leads the league in scoring while his team goes no where. Gets assists...but that's because no one can shoot unless he gives them the ball.

    Clyde ran the offense. Facilitated the offense. Made everyone around him better. Ran the break better than anyone else in Rockets history (McGrady infamously resistant to running the court on break opportunities).

    (4) Even contest only if you look at the numbers and ignore the way in which they were produced. Clyde was a winner his entire career, leading Portland or teaming with Dream. McGrady has been a loser his entire career, leading teams to middle of the round draft picks.

    Pretend if you want that McGrady never had a chance, that he never had a team good enough. Ignore the fact that he sabotaged and torpedoed the most talented team assembled around him because his pride couldn't take a reduced role.

    Clyde was a consummate team guy, professional, and played the game like a legend every night. McGrady looked for every opportunity to coast. You didn't see Clyde doing McGrady's pathetic 3-point line dance because going to the paint was too much effort.

    *entire career waffling between 1.1 and 1.2 PPS, career high of 1.3......volume shooter through and through.
     

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