**Official McGrady/Pistons 2010 Regular Season Thread**

LOL.

Who are you to say what qualifies as a Rocket fan?

 

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its not only giving up the dunk, but repeatedly forcing your teammates to play 4 on 5. that had nothing to do w/ any injury. he quit - there is no defense of that. and him glaring at adleman at the 1:30 mark - he wasnt hurt - he quit.

 

I didn't say Kevin was the leader of the team, but my point was that Tracy WAS, which makes his offense much more egregious. Kevin, while fairly injury prone, has never burnt bridges with a team, and never displayed the diva behavior of T-Mac, even while barely being 1/10th the player Tracy was.

If you think after the drama, bickering, and outright lying that Tracy put this team through, you'd rather have a 7 pt/3 rbd guy from a terrible team than Kevin freaking Martin, then you're clearly a TOF. That's antithetical to being a fan of the franchise.

My point in my original post was in reply to someone saying they'd rather have a broken diva than Kevin, for all his shortcomings. Its pathetic.

 

Disagree if you want, but I think being a TOF necessarily disqualifies you from being a Rockets fan. After what he did to this organization, to still be a fan of his is making a conscious choice to be a TOF.

To this day he doesn't accept even a little responsibility for how it went down. Not one iota. That tells you everything you need to know about this spoiled, useless brat.

 

Yeah, why is it so hard to accept the fact that you can still like t-mac and be a rockets fan...

Also the double standard in clutchfans is moronic, if battier says something that throws another player under the bus its because he is a leader, he wants the person to get better, if its mcgrady he is a cancer and a backstabber.

 

What defines being a rocket fan is cheering for houston and hoping houston wins.

This has nothing to do with mcgrady or any other player you might like or not...

 

Tracy was never hurt at all during his time with the Rockets. He faked every single injury from the back to the knee. It only took him 3 years to start playing decent basketball because he just wanted to spend the rest of the time chillaxing and quitting. From the first time he put on a uniform, his goal was to sabotage the Rockets. What a deceitful plan.....

 

I like the fact McGrady called people out. I didn't always think it was the most tactful way of doing it, but that's what a leader does. McGrady isn't Satan incarnate here. He was still one of the most gifted players the world has ever seen - hell, its why people defend him after alienating 4 teams, 5 if you count New York. Clearly its 5 "Tracy hating" organizations, and our fearless leader MeMac is perfect.

However, what a leader doesn't do is cry and whine and complain - something I haven't seen Battier, a role player, do.

 

Cheering for someone who burned, lied, and disparaged an organization that you claim to be a fan of isn't conducive to fandom. Sure, I guess you can be a fan of both, but refusing to accept that Tracy is at least, at LEAST of equal blame for how it ended is silly.

 

Where can Mcgrady play (and play his way) longterm?

Who would be willing to make him they're primary playmakers? Seems like he can only be really productive in that role right now.

 

straight up lie right there. the guy was limping all year that year, and still limped all year LAST year after rehab. it took him basically 2 years to start showing signs he can finally still play. and he "was not hurt?"

look, as a mcgrady fan, even i couldn't accept the way he treated our organizations "at times." he was very unprofessional and that game was unacceptable. but the injury he went through was tough for him. and for a player of his caliber, having to fall from grace was a difficult thing.

i appreciated what he did for us when we had little talent around him and yao. his responsibilities on our teams back then were on par with what lebron had to do for cleveland (mcgrady just wasn't as good so the results weren't as great).

it's time to move on. you still don't like mcgrady, stay away from the thread. this thread is about mcgrady trying to regain a place in this game. and people who liked and still like watching him play want to see him do well again.

the bulls? derrick rose basically dominates the ball. so tmac can provide 20 mins off the bench doing that role. same case with dallas or oklahoma... a lot of teams can use his service.

if tmac can prove he can be consistent again, you want him in this role for 15-20 minutes a game. he can change and control a game. you don't find many players like that unless they're all-stars.

nice to see you in a mcgrady thread. you said he would retire from the L by christmas. and it's nice to see that you don't get that earlier in the season, he was still getting into game shape.

his averages have increased every month with more minutes played.

this month: 14ppg, 6apg, 5rpg on 49%fg and 36% 3s. he can easily average 20 points right now if he jacks up shots like some other all-stars and shoot 40-41% a game.

look for him to average 17-18ppg for the last few months if not more as the season progresses down the stretch.

 

Can you name a single good team they beat to get to the finals?

It was called the leastern conference back then for a reason.


Seems you hate the dude which is fine but just say that insteadof manufacturing weak arguments. You have every right to dislike the guy or anyone else...no need to justify it with weak arguments ya know

 

Until he got on the Rockets he WAS in the Eastern Conference. He was in the same boat as Iverson. Even with Grant Hill out, he still had a better team. You like the guy, I get it. Calling a valid argument weak just because you disagree with it simply exposes your bias. Instead, it would be better if you could attempt to offer factual arguments... oh wait, T-Mac fans never could.

 

I do disagree.

And you are an idiot. Of course "TOF" are not fans of the Rockets. They are "Tracy only Fans" after all.

However, there is nothing wrong with being a McGrady fan and a Rocket fan. What McGrady has done for the organization far exceeds what he did to the organization.

Did you know McGrady's knee was injured in the first place and further aggravated because he wanted to keep playing? The season where we won 22 games in a row was the season where his knee injury got worse. We had little hope for a championship after Yao went down, but guess what? Instead of shutting it down, he chose to keep playing like a man. We had a chance of winning the first round series against the Jazz had Alston not been injured.

Of course, you don't know that. You are some condescending moron who feels like you have the power to call out other fans. Trust me, there are a lot of posters here who are much older than you and have been a fan of the Rockets for a much longer time than you who are fans of both the Rockets and McGrady. What gives you the right to call those posters "a non-rocket fan"?

In fact, that is the greatest insult to any fan if you call them a non-fan because they are fans of someone you don't like. You don't set the standards for what qualifies as a Rocket fan, but since you obviously have the need to reduce the size of the Rocket fan base by making stupid standards, you are obviously not a fan of the Rockets.

 

Unnecessary arguments for no reason.

The dude was unhealthy.

He was limping for multiple years, the surgery seems like its paying off considering he is moving like he was in 2007.

This thread is about his recovery NOW, not his PAST.

Did he quit when he forced himself to play on his bum left knee and shoulder in 2008 playoffs???? He should have shut it down when Yao was announced to be out for the rest of the year.

Instead, he worked hard, played till the end which most likely resulted him having serious problems with his knee.

You don't lie about an injury and take the MF knee surgery route which is a very long, painful rehabbing process.

I'm glad he is recovering and if Yao happens to go on another team, I will be hoping for his recover as well.

 

tinman, is that you?

 

How so?

Ranking for EC 2000-2001
Orlando Magic 2000-2001 Roster and Statistics
Philadelphia 76'ers

Even WITH Hill playing only 4 games, Magic had a better season ranking and performed better in almost every category than the 76'ers. How did the post season end for that year? Magic out in first round and 76'ers got to the finals.

 

No, it's not him. It's just a tinmam fan.

Tinman attempted a suicide after T-Mac dunk vs Grizzlies but I still don't know the result. He's not here right now, so maybe... he.... *cry*. Come on tinman, it's not worth it Life is gooooood :grin:

 

I agree and even though I still like t-mac the player ther reason he overstayed his welcome here in Houston was entirely his fault. He acted totally wrong and really was a idiot, the fact is I don´t think this warrants the hate some have towards him. Also the toronto game is overplayed, he was clearly injured, yeah he acted the wrong way, but it´s not like he is Satan or something.

The years before his injury plagued last season in Houston he really gave it his all and put the Rockets team on the map, to bad we had two stars players made of glass. I respect him for the positives he had in Houston and check to see how he is playing because he is quite entertaining when healthy. That doesn´t make me a worse Rockets fan, as it´s possible to like t-mac and the Rockets also :grin: