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[Official] Marlins @ Astros

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by arkoe, Apr 3, 2006.

  1. Rocketman95

    Rocketman95 Hangout Boy

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    Nope. Been watching it my entire life.

    So, I guess you didn't watch the last 75% of the year when we were 5th in the league in runs scored. Nor did you notice the addition of a player who had 25 HRs and 90 RBI last season.

    See above.

    My head hurts already and it's only April 5.
     
  2. Master Baiter

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    It has been two games, one of which we won. I can't believe you people are crying already.
     
  3. Rocketman95

    Rocketman95 Hangout Boy

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    The sad thing is I can believe it.
     
  4. The Cat

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    The fact that we were 5th in the NL in runs after Berkman was healthy (the last four months of the year). Believe it or not, it takes more than 1 or 2 runs a game to do that. We've kept everyone from that offense and actually added to it with Wilson. The offense will be fine. If there's any concern, it's whether there's enough depth in the rotation. We'll see starting tonight.
     
  5. msn

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    Best moment ever.
     
  6. brentdapmp

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    So you believe that this team will be about 5th in the league in runs scored. Wow have you looked at the lineup? Do you expect Adam Everett to turn into Miguel Tejada? So you expect this season to be much more like the improbable run we had in the second half of the season instead of the first half of last year? Where does the offense come from? Will Morgan hit for 36 & 100 again? Sure these things are possible but not probable. I can be somewhat of a homer too but I am not blind. Did you forget that we are playing a Marlins team that is almost a AAA team?

    And Preston "the human windmill" Wilson played in Coors field where you could get 25 & 90.

    Look I love the Astros, but I can only go on what they have showed me so far and what they have shown has not been pretty. I hope I am wrong, but we all knew this was a bad lineup coming into the season and would need some players to have breakout years to have a chance of getting back to the world series. I am glad you are happy with the moves we made and the current lineup for this season. We got worse not better this offseason and that does not spell out world series champ. I have high expectations. I don't want to see this team make it to the playoffs, because we are used to seeing them there. We need a Championship. This is currently not a championship roster.
     
  7. The Real Shady

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    My concern is being able to showcase an offense that Clemens would want to come back to. Without Clemens the Astros they have no chance of getting back to the WS.
     
  8. The Cat

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    Wilson's numbers in Washington - one of the best pitcher's parks in baseball - were practically identical to his numbers in Colorado. So much for the all Coors Field theory.

    Also, it wasn't the second half of the season. It was the last four months, and essentially every second a healthy Lance Berkman was in the lineup. If you choose to believe it was all a fluke, anything's possible, but the statistical odds say you're wrong. Adam Everett isn't going to become Miguel Tejada - and he doesn't need to. This team already was 5th in the league in runs scored... when healthy.
     
  9. The Cat

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    Not really. There are some big name pitchers - Zito, for one - that are almost certain to be available at the deadline this year. Next offseason's going to be a big one in terms of free agents, and lots of teams are going to deal this summer to avoid the risk of losing their players for no compensation. This team has to acquire one additional starter, but it's not all dependent on Clemens. It can be someone else.

    That said, Clemens would make it easier, and yes, they do need to show a decent offense to entice him to come back. But it's going to be at least a month before that decision is made, and we've played two games. Nothing worth talking about at this point.
     
  10. Rocketman95

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    What you call an improbable run, I call a pattern of good baseball over 75% of the season.

    His splits last year were 13/50 at home and 12/40 on the road. Not to mention he was traded from Colorado on 7/13 of last year.

    You can continue repeating the cliches that our offense was terrible for the entire season last year and that we did nothing to address it in the offseason as long as you know that isn't true.
     
  11. macalu

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    i might as well start it since our season is basically over. :rolleyes:

    Great! Let's tank the season less than 2 games into the season for an inknown commodity. Not smart!
     
  12. brentdapmp

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    overall our offense was terrible last year I would like to hear a valid point to disprove that. Do you not realize that is the reason we could not win a game in the world series??? I can't believe there are actually people defending the lineup. :eek: Was Roger's ERA vs. W&L not evident enough to you that something needed to be done? We don't have Roger Clemens but we do now have Preston Wilson. Did we get better or worse? Don't say that you are sure Roger is coming back because at this point we have to assume he is not.
     
  13. The Cat

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    How is finishing 5th in the league in total runs (with Berkman healthy, at least 3/4 of the season) not a valid point to disprove that the offense was terrible? Please explain.
     
  14. rhester

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    No tombstones until we are 15-30 :)
     
  15. macalu

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    the astros scored a bunch of runs. they just didn't score when Rocket was on the mound.
     
  16. kaleidosky

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    Roger's ERA vs. W/L definitely proves that *he* didn't get enough run support.

    Does it prove anything about the team during the entire season? Not really. But the "5th in the L in runs scored during the portion of the season where we had our entire lineup healthy--which was most of the season" stat does prove something.

    Feeling the itch to block posts from brent cause this is getting dumb..
     
  17. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    Everyone seems to forget that due to their lack of baserunners, the Astros are pretty good at not hitting into double plays, so because they don't hit into as many double plays, they have that extra at bat to make the other out which will lead to an overall lower batting average. Hey, statistics don't lie.
     
  18. brentdapmp

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    what place did we finish last year in total runs scored in the league? not 5th sorry you can't pick parts of a season to prove your point.


    Let me go ahead and apologize to you guys for wanting to see my team win a championship and not wanting to settle for anything less. I am sorry for going to a game and becoming agitated at seeing my fear of a bad lineup come to life. Look I know we are 2 games in and it is a long season, but last nights game soured me some. This is not a playoff team much less a world champion team. I hope they prove me wrong but I can't find a reason to think this team will make the playoffs. I am not saying tank the season or why are we even playing the games, etc. I am simply stating that this is not a world champion roster and that upsets me because I want to see the Astros finally get one for the city of Houston. Before the season started I did not feel like this current team (without Roger) would make the playoffs now with Roger that could change, but currently I do not think they could make it. So with the current roster who here feels the Astros will make the playoffs?
     
  19. Master Baiter

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    I do. Pretty easily too.
     
  20. macalu

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    i think the hitting will come around and we will be a potent offense. unfortunately, our pitching is not gonna help us get to the playoffs this year, especially if Roger doesn't come back.
     

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