I thought it was a pretty good episode esp. after last weeks crapfest. I had always assumed that Dharma and the Others were one in the same, kind of intrested in whats going to happen next week
Great f'n episode last night...Although I like Sayid and always love his storylines...Forgiveness is a wonderful thing...John is an idiot for both, pushing 77 and playing chess...Of course, more questions come after each episode... Sun was in a recent issue of Maxim or Stuff...mmm...Kate and Charilie married in real life, I'm impressed that a hobbit can get that kind of azz...
Ok the one thing that had my head scratching is that sayid said that Patch was not dharma but one of "them" and then there is mention of the hostiles attacking. Watching the episode i thought sayid was insinutating that Patch was a hostile actually. since the other girl was with "the others" at the dock they are all part of that group. does that mean all the "others" are not part of dharma at all (i thought they were) and were the hostiles that Hanzo (asian guy) was talking about? great episode last night nonetheless. getting back to the other characters on the show help get it back on track after the first part of the season when it was all jack,kate and sawyer
Looks like Patch was not an original Dharma (Sayid figured it out and Patch confirmed/attacked him). Also, seems like Dharma and the hostiles/others are not the same--maybe original Dharma's were all killed. Maybe the hostiles were experiment group #1 go awry, or maybe they were already there--but Dharma seemed aware they could cause problems (video and self destruct). The episode revealed more than the typical episode. And I don't like at all how they had Locke be a total idiot. Locke having weakspots (chief other finding some angles to manipulate him was OK), but such a basic fundamental tactical blunder was out of character. Kinda of the Kate take where she is the person who escaped from authorities for how long and a good tracker only to do multiple totally dimwitted moves where she gets caught off guard in a freaken jungle. Writers should be lashed for Kate and Locke being that pathetic in those situations. It has become that you can only root for Sayid, Jin (& maybe Wife, she is fairly clever)--the only thinking badasses of the bunch. Though Jack has sucked it up somewhat redeemed himself of late.
The Dharma video made it appears as if the others/hostiles had been there before Dharma arrived to the island, maybe quite a long time before. Yeah, Locke was written to be a total dumbass this episode esp. leaving the prisoner to go play computer chess!?! They could have come up with a better way of having all that go down.
I believe that aside from initially claiming to be the last surviving member of the Dharma Initiative, Russian dude was indeed telling the truth the whole time. The others/hostiles preceeded Dharma on the island. Dharma went to war with the others/hostiles and lost. But this raised a question for me. Was the original hatch guy who was there when Desmond got there REALLY a member of Dharma, or was he just pretending like the Russian guy? Maybe he's what the Russian guy was claiming to be, the last surviving member of Dharma. He didn't go to war, because he had to push the button, and everyone else died.
you guys are forgetting that ethan was with them when they were talking to julie in that flashback a few episodes ago, and they were talking about her joining dharma and hanso right? i don't think all the dharma are dead.
Actually, they were recruiting her for Mittelos Bioscience. I just went to lostpedia and double checked the information. As far as I can see they never make a link between Mittelos and DHARMA or Hanso. I think that that is just an assumption, albeit a natural one to make at the time of the Not in Portland episode. Spoiler I keep reading spoiler hints about a person or group of people people living 'underground' on the island seperate from the others so I guess there still may be another group which includes or is people from DHARMA.
By the way, Locke wanting to go fiddle with the chess game isn't entirely out of characer for him. If you look at it with his obsessive behavior when it came to figuring out how to get in the hatch, and discovering it's secrets and keeping it secret from the other passingers even when it put Boone in danger, it seems not that strange to me. Spoiler I understand that they are also perhaps trying to build concern with Locke's reliablility and motives. I understand he gets into it with Sayid next week, and later he is going to make what will be viewed as a reckless decision when faced with a choice given him by Ben on the submarine owned by 'the others'.
The chess makes sense with Locke - he's always had a hangup with games (easy to forget since they've forgotten about him as a character for a full year now). His pushing 77 was just plain dumb. Juliette earlier this season: "Dharma was a long time ago..." I've always felt that the Others weren't Dharma. Definitely seems as if they just took over the island facilities. The hatches and buildings all have an air of being abandoned for at least a decade. I was thrilled for them to have finally revealed why there was a cable going into the ocean. Geez. That was from maybe the 5th episode of Season 1. Mikhail's named after a philosopher that was interested in Prometheus - the Greek myth about how man learned how to make fire. Evan
all this "others" crap just doesn't make sense to me. why all the hostility towards the "survivors"? maybe Jack should ask some real damn questions.
The first thing I would have said to the others: "Hey, you want to be on the island. We don't want to be on the island. You know how to get off. Why don't you just help us leave and then the island can be all yours again." I guess that's too logical a question to ask. I just thought of something. Ethan was the others' surgeon until he got killed. If he played that important of a role for the others, why did they send him to do grunt work infiltration?
Good to see Jack isn't in any danger from the Others, maybe they can finally get the sides together and get off the damn island.
So Jack and Claire are bro and sis. Cool. Glad they didn't make Claire his love interest and have some Star Wars Luke/Leia crap going on. These back stories are so spread out I'm starting to lose track. I almost missed that it was Jack's dad last night. I had pretty much forgotten what he looked like. If they hadn't thrown in that he was an American doctor from LA with another family I would have missed it. I'm afraid I might miss some juicy stuff next week 'cause I may have forgotten some of Locke's backstory even though I'm pretty sure I've got the major points. Nice WTF moment to end the episode last night.
For some reason, I really wanted to see Jack spike the football for that last scene. That would have really made quite a finishing touch for the episode's finale...well at least for me anyway.
