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Official: Kamala Harris for President thread

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewRoxFan, Jan 21, 2019.

  1. dobro1229

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    Welcome to politics. Bernie is an outlier because he just repeats the same four lines over and over again regardless of the topic or question (partly why he’s the most effective politician out there from a messaging standpoint).

    Kamala’s overall platform though has pretty consistent broad strokes and it’s hard to miss the central themes. If Bernie, Biden, and Warren lose to Kamala I hope you’ll support even if you don’t agree with 100% of her views in the past or changes in policy positions. I think she’s a solid candidate regardless and think she’ll be a solid president if elected.
     
  2. dobro1229

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    Is “To quote Ben Shapiro” supposed to garnish some sort of credibility or something?? I’m confused why you’d want to lead a comment on a Democrat with “to quote Ben Shapiro” and expect to be taken seriously.
     
  3. biff17

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    most politicians are more tactful and don't flip flop as quickly.
     
  4. DonnyMost

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    Warren and Sanders are pretty terrible examples.

    Lumping in people who change their stances on issues once a generation with people like Harris who change their positions multiple times in the space of mere days (sometimes hours) is not ideal.
     
  5. dobro1229

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    Compared to Trump she’s a straight arrow on the flip flopping but in the primary her being a bit loose on the issues will bite her if she continues to be in group A with a target on her back.

    I think Biden might actually go back at her in the next debate about healthcare and really open up some issues for her. We’ll see how she handles it, but yeah I agree she’s been a little hedgy like every politician in the past but now for some reason in the era of Trump nonetheless a woman candidate is expected to never hedge and never change her policy positions ever in a Dem primary.

    We all know it’s because everyone is nervous about running another female candidate against Trump and how much higher a standard the Dem voters hold their candidates now in 2019. It’s okay... I get why we are the way we are, but it’s pretty frustrating when you take a step back and view what we do in comparison to the party of Trump.
     
  6. biff17

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    I don't think it has anything to do with her being a woman.

    I can make 3 things she has hedged on since she has started running.

    Doing away with private healthcare, allowing felons to vote and federally mandated busing.

    And initially she was strongly for these things makes you wonder if she has strong convictions on anything.

    It makes me wonder.
     
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    but Harris has apparently lost the Candace Owens vote

     
  10. FranchiseBlade

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    She can't lose something she never had.
     
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    I thought all black votes alike.
     
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    There are only a few that dare to break out and are able to think and make decisions on their own. Normally only whites can think independently and don't make decisions as a group. But the fact that some white people acknowledge the independent thinking black folks shows they are not racist.
     
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    I still think that Kanye Trump visit was a Russian deepfake.

    Too unreal
     
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    This is where I have issues with her. It's clear she has some of Trump's lack-of-truthiness where she will just say things in the moment (or even well planned, like the Biden bussing thing) and then totally backtrack days later. On the private health thing, she did it twice, so her "I misunderstood the question" thing the 2nd time doesn't hold up at all.
     
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    No..there are some that have choose MONEY and self-hate over what is right. Candice Owens is definitely one.
     
  16. FranchiseBlade

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    I was being completely satirical. I agree with you.
     
  17. dobro1229

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    On the Healthcare Debate, we now finally have a clear answer from Kamala's campaign.

    Bernie folks are bashing it as too conservative & catering too much to the private industry, and Biden's camp is bashing it as too disruptive to the status quo. Which means she's obviously trying to do the dance of pulling energy among progressives but mindful of pragmatism. I think its smart, but she's now got to do the selling, and rely on presenting this plan well. If she's not sharp and well prepared to sell this more pragmatic approach, I think it could hurt her. We'll see...

    Here's the skinny-


    Read more at https://kamalaharris.org/healthcare/#k2cMVqQfcPDbxz3r.99
     
  18. dobro1229

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    Also some other thoughts-

    - Looks like the threshold here is 100K household income where you'd see a tax increase.
    -A series of Wall Street tax increases on transactions would take place (2 trillion over 10 years estimated to bring in via Wall Street Tax)
    -10 year transition period gives alot of time for Republicans to undermine the transition period like they did with Obamacare and the risk corridors. Would be interesting to see how the bill could be written to protect from that.
    -Loss of employer plans will be a focus from the Biden camp.

    Lastly-

    -This is just a proposal. It hasn't been CBO scored, it hasn't been passed in Congress, and hasn't gone to the Senate. What we can take from this is as President, Kamala Harris would be far more pragmatic than ideological. We'll have to see how she can personally sell this plan and others plans she has while she's attacked from the moderates and especially the progressives.
     
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    It will be interesting to see if Kamala will stay true to her plan once she receives some pushback. History would suggest not. Of course you do have the good old reliable truism that since her plan seems to be in the middle that it the best, the most practical, the least ideological etc.

    I can just see her negotiating with the Republicans in Congress and the for profit Insurance companies and it comes out as some sort off shitty welfare with insurance numerous tiers of coverage with 20 years to implement and lots of complicated exceptions and maybe some fines and whatever.
     
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    Sheesh, those taxes. Biden you have my vote.
     

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