Yes Hamas is to blame directly but that doesn’t change that hostage rescue is very difficult and the IDF themselves have killed hostages trying to rescue them. Simply saying the IDF should’ve been allowed to go in earlier the hostages would’ve been saved you have no idea if that would’ve worked. Also blaming the US VP is just partisanship as the US VP has little leverage on the IDF and the IDF has previously taken actions that the US administration didn’t agree with.
@rocketsjudoka it makes no difference what you are anyone else says.. You are basically falling into their trap and doing what they want you to do... My ex would say and do stuff and I would respond until my sister stated this to me. As long as you keep engaging her she will continue to keep doing what she's doing.. So as long as you guys keep engaging basso.. jharden and others they will continue to keep posting this crap. T_Man
I’m not trying to change their minds and whether I respond or not they’ll keep on posting. My response to them or more for my own edification and for others. I’m pointing out the flaw in arguments also that I’ve heard other say.
It's but one poll, but there is some interesting data about the "core base" vs a "weak base". Core base (strong support + dislike the other candidate): Harris - 82%, Trump - 69% Weak base (support with reservation): Harris - 18%, Trump - 31% This suggests that Harris has a more solid and committed base, which is crucial for maintaining momentum and turnout. On the other hand, Trump’s higher percentage of a weak base, with 31% supporting him with reservations, indicates that a notable portion of his supporters might be less enthusiastic or more prone to shifting their support. https://www.ipsos.com/en-us/harris-has-slight-advantage-over-trump-unchanged-dnc Among people who support Harris, most (64%) strongly support her, 18% support her with some reservations, and 19% mainly dislike the other candidates. Among people who support Trump, 60% strongly support him. However, compared to Harris, nearly twice as many Trump supporters support him with reservations (31% support Trump with reservations vs. 18% for Harris). There is a similar gap around the “anti-vote”, that is those who support their candidate because they mainly dislike the other candidates. Compared to Trump’s support, twice as many Harris supporters are backing her because they mainly dislike other candidates (19% support Harris because they mainly dislike other candidates vs. 9% of Trump supporters). For most Americans (79%), Robert F. Kennedy Jr. suspending his campaign and supporting Trump makes no difference in their vote. About one in ten (12%) say that RFK Jr. supporting Trump makes them more likely to back him, while a nearly equal share (9%) are now less likely to support Trump.
My own feeling has been that the pro Harris vote is largely anti-Trump. I don’t think until Biden dropped out there was much of the electorate for Harris.
The poll above shows that it's actually a small minority, with just 19% reflecting that viewpoint (anti-Trump).
I read what you posted and would be curious to see their methodology. I look it as even when Trump had the best two weeks he could hope for in late June and early July he never opened up a landslide polling lead. Biden in nearly every poll still remained in single digits of Trump even as his own negatives reached sky high. That tells me that it’s far more anti Trump than whoever is the Democratic candidate.
That's a good question and one I share, which is why I thought this data point was worth highlighting. There has been a HUGE SHIFT from Biden to Harris. Harris has doubled the level of strong support compared to Biden, while opposition to Trump has dropped significantly from 31% to 19%. This indicates a major shift toward much stronger pro-Harris support rather than just anti-Trump sentiment. She’s attracting new voters and/or converting a large number from being simply anti-Trump to being more pro-Harris. EDIT: ps Maybe the huge crowd sizes at Harris rallies are telling us something!
I agree with this. Had President Biden not run for reelection at all and we had an open Democratic primary, I don't think she would've won the nomination...even with the massive advantages being in the White House affords.
I was in the same camp, but see my post above. The data says otherwise. There has been a pretty remarkable shift. People really are more pro-Harris than anti-Trump (of course, there is a mixture of both, but given the two choices, that’s what they said).
I agreed with you about the shirts. No child (or parent for that matter) should be wearing a shirt with vulgarity but you don't condemn your side for doing it so I can't take your opinion seriously. I doubt you care anyways but you should
I'm glad that you understand that. But that isn't what I was discussing. I was talking about what might have been more effective and about not using this as a political weapon against political opponents who have nothing to do with the incident.
That seems to be your attitude with anyone who disagrees with your opinion. A message board is for conversation but it's cool if you choose to use it for a different way. I'll just agree to disagree and leave it at that
