[Official] Joe 2020

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If only Biden could handle disagreements as presidentially as you

 

Honestly I didn’t and still haven’t heard where he said he would take the guy outside.

I see Yang has endorsed Biden and Sanders is losing Michigan badly. Short of Biden ripping someone’s head off it looks like tonight Biden buried Sanders and wrapped up the nomination.

 

http://bbs.clutchfans.net/index.php?threads/official-joe-2020.298082/page-65#post-12898089

Now that you've heard it, are we Democrats okay with presidential candidates threatening violence to respectful citizens asking political questions at campaign events, or not? I'm not, that's just not acceptable for a presidential candidate in any way to for me.


And totally agree, I've said since super Tuesday that Bernie's campaign was done, and have referred to Biden as the nominee.

 

I agree that was not what I hope for. If the campaign season had another four months tacked on there would be a change in the candidate

 

No. The DNC rigged it so Biden won... also Biden has the support of a half dozen billionaires that have given Biden an unfair advantage... Biden is only winning because the rich elite forced out the other moderate candidates... I guess the problem is that poor people and black people are just ignorant because they listen to local leaders that have sold out to the rich elites.... okay, well I guess it is just that the electorate is stupid and doesn’t know what is best for them....

IT IS NOT FAIR

 

WHY YOU TAKING OUR GUNS!? 2ND AMENDMENTS!

 

To me, it's a disqualifying showing from Joe. I'm gonna have a really hard time supporting someone who's quite literally a jackass and bully.

Biden completely discredits himself as "back to normal Joe" and "we need decency Joe", which is his entire campaign.

He is the nominee and it's unfortunate. Hope Trump loses.

 

A stupid talking point that I disagree with, but not worthy of getting cursed out and physically threatened.

Such an easy, classic, age-old talking point from right-wingers that's very easy to dismantle... and Joey just implodes

 

He probably only has to dismantle it 30 times every time he walks in a crowd.

Joe is extra spicy like a 67 Corvette.

 

I don't believe the guy was remotely being respectful, but that said, I don't think it's "disqualifying". It's human. Many Dem voters have probably have had these same frustrating conversations with Trump voters twisting things Dems said or did. GOP voters have probably had the same. It's infuriating, and he lashed out in the moment.

Is it great? No. Is it different than Trump? Absolutely - he does his stuff in pre-prepared speeches and with intent. Biden got frustrated in a heat of the moment conversation. I suspect if we had cell-phone cameras everywhere in previous campaigns and similar confrontations by voters, you'd see most Presidential candidates and Presidents have similar moments of frustration. I have no doubt Sanders has had similar angry moments, even if expressed a bit differently. If you expect every candidate to never say something stupid, everyone is likely disqualified.

If it's disqualifying for you, that's fair. But at that point, if you've disqualified both candidates (one based on 5 seconds of a 21 month campaign), your voice is thrown away. If you're not voting for either of them, they have no reason to address any of your concerns or issues. That's a disservice to your cause, but it's certainly your right.

 

I would agree if this were a regular occurrence. It isn't. It is an outlier.

 

I guess we will have to agree to disagree. I listened to the link you sent and still cannot hear him tell the guy they will take it outside. I am using my i-phone so maybe the sound quality hurts.

No after listening to it for a third time I don’t think it is disqualifying. Both of them raised their voices and I didn’t really find it threatening. If anything it was more bullying than anything else.

He never asked anyone to beat the guy up.

Every vote makes up their own decision though.

 

That's the job when you are a presidential candidate campaigning at a factory in a rust belt state. Can't just go around and cussing people out and threatening to kick their asses.

Joe is supposed to be smooth like a 42' Caddy, spicy no bueno. Trump is already the king spice lord.

 

If the 12% of Bernie supporters, which amounted to several hundred thousand, who voted for trump in 2016, instead of holding their noses and voting for Hillary Clinton, wish to stick with trump, he is welcome to them, in my opinion. When the Democratic Party, with the help of some moderate Republican senators, pushed through the Civil Rights Bill in the mid-‘60’s, it hurt the party in the South and the Democratic Party was better for letting the GOP have the bigots who couldn’t take the idea of Black Americans having equal rights. The reason Black Americans still tend to vote Democratic goes back to those days.

In my opinion, many who voted for trump will have realized their mistake and vote against him in 2020, including those misguided Bernie supporters, who discovered that trump is far, far worse than they expected in 2016. Those, I welcome. The ones who still sing trump’s praises and will, against all reason, follow him until Doomsday? I couldn’t care less about what they do on Election Day. They are hopeless, enraptured by a madman.

 

It didn’t seem to hurt him at the polls in that rust belt state.

Maybe it makes a difference in a week... I don’t know.

Perhaps I am jaded after Trump, I just didn’t think it was a big deal. It was obvious nothing was going to happen and he even explained his position. He was a bully to the extent he tried to shout the guy down. Next time he likely walks away... however having spent a LOT of time in the Midwest and Rustbelt I can tell you the confrontation isn’t going to hurt him with working class blue collar voters in his his region... if anything he was very comfortable and will be viewed as standing up for himself... something prior Democrats have struggled to understand (the culture of that group of voters).

 

I agree that there were better choices he could have made. So he made a mistake and wrong choice.

I just don't think you abandon a candidate after this outlier.

All candidates and people make mistakes.
I'm sure I would feel worse if he was talking to a rational human being instead of a giant *******.