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[Official] Joe 2020

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by justtxyank, Apr 25, 2019.

  1. fchowd0311

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    I think it's because they will lose influence. Hence why they would prefer Bloomberg who represents Democrat values less than Bernie over Bernie.

    They know a potential Bloomberg administration will keep the same pecking order in the DNC.
     
  2. Two Sandwiches

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    I wish Joe had dropped out and left Pete or Klobuchar instead, but it is what it is. I'll support whoever is standing between Biden and Bloomberg.


    They all better have damn good VP picks, though.
     
  3. justtxyank

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    What pecking order though? These people who are coming out and endorsing Biden don't need jobs in the DNC.

    These are people trying to win elections. And this idea that some establishment is rallying around Bloomberg is crazy. Where is that even coming from? They may have considered whether Bloomberg was a better general election candidate than Bernie, but this calculus literally happens about every candidate for every position in every election in every party in the country. Wanting someone who can win isn't some nefarious motive.

    There's just no evidence that there are party boogeymen working to maintain power. Especially in 2020 when the DNC as a body has done everything it could to stay "neutral." Letting Bloomberg into the debates was them bending to the will of the candidates for example. If they wanted to help Bloomberg they would have kept him out of them.
     
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    I definitely much prefer Pete over Biden. I'm pretty confident Biden is going to be the nominee at this point. It's upsetting because I would feel much more comfortable with Pete's chances vs Biden.
     
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    Oh boy. It's not like a presidential administration has hundreds of positions within the administration to fill.

    How naive do you have to be to believe that zero self interest is at play here?
     
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  6. justtxyank

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    You think Jim Clyburn is going to quit Congress for some administration job?

    Harry Reid is just longing for a 9-5 back in Washington?

    And yeah I really think fundraising superstars Pete Buttigieg and Beto O'Rourke were shaking in their boots that they'd have no futures if Bernie were the nominee!

    Be real here.
     
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    Pete as a gay man didn't have a chance at the nomination...this nation is not ready for that yet. Pretty sad really, guy is sharp as a tack and would have made an excellent nominee.
     
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    The poster you are going back and forth with just likes to post talking points about the "establishment'.

    He does not want a meaningful conversation.

    The fact that he will not admit Bernie and his movement was and is given a huge boost by the MSM tells you he is not shooting straight.
     
  9. Nook

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    Sanders isn't running for the Senate and being President isn't about being a "very kind man"..... look at the list of prior President's and most of them were at BEST complicated people, if not down right bad people.

    This is about becoming President of the United States and so far Sanders cannot break 1/3 of democratic support. That isn't going to win ANYTHING.

    The recent drop out of other moderate candidates presents an opportunity, not just for Biden but Sanders too....... let's see who can get the majority of Democrats to support them and that person wins.

    "Joe exposes himself over and over"........ you know how voters express if that is a problem? The ballot box.

    Rather than worry about Joe Biden or the DNC or anything else........ Sanders and his supporters should ask why they cannot get support from a majority of democrats. Time to look in the mirror and realize that right now a majority of Americans are not buying what Sanders is pushing, to the degree he is pushing it.
     
  10. Major

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    No - it's out of knowing that Bloomberg doesn't damage their downballot races in the same way that Bernie does. Texas Democrats want to win the Texas State House. They believe they can with Biden or Bloomberg. They don't believe they can with Bernie. It's self-interest in the sense that they believe one candidate is better for all the things they are fighting for than the other guy.
     
  11. fchowd0311

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    Why can't Biden get support from majority of the Democrats?
     
  12. Nook

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    Because there were a number of other candidates with similar positions as him?

    I don't know if Biden will get a majority of democrats to support him, that is what the remaining primaries are for....... perhaps everyone is surprised and Sanders takes a majority of former Klobuchar and Buttigieg supporters and moves close to 50% support.

    Warren is still in the race, perhaps Sanders works a deal where she drops out and supports Sanders; helping him press for majority support.

    ALL of this is about getting to 50% and accumulating support from supporters of candidates that fell along the wayside.

    Sanders has now ran in the last two Presidential elections and thus far cannot get beyond 1/3 of the democrat voters to embrace his candidacy. Is his personality the problem? (I don't think so), is his message perhaps too radical for the palate of most voters in 2020? I think so. Will that be the case in 2024? I don't know............ but his message isn't popular enough yet..... so either modify the message OR keep making gains at the grassroots level and wait until the voting public catches up.
     
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    Most people agree its because there have been an army of moderates in his lane. People assume that as that logjam clears out, he WILL get a majority. If he doesn't, his campaign will falter. The difference with Bernie is that he's running in his own lane, and he can't seem to grow it. And has actually shrunk it relative to 2016. People dropping out doesn't seem to help him that much. If that turns out not to be true, more power to him. But his whole job is convince those Pete and Amy and Bloomberg supporters to come to him - that article I posted earlier points to his fundamental problem: he and his supporters are neither attempting to, nor interested in, doing that. They just prefer to keep going with insults like "mayo pete" and attacking anyone who endorses other candidates. He's literally doing no outreach outside of his base, so it's not surprising that his base doesn't grow.
     
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    He got 43% of the vote in the 2016 primaries. That's more than a third which 33.3%.

    I guess 43% of the Democrat voting electorate aren't Democrats.
     
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    Young idealistic Bernie voters must be brought to heel by the moneyed interests in the Democratic party. Otherwise, they might naively nominate a candidate who can generate enthusiasm and energy in November. Last time, it was Hillary's turn to run. This time, it's Joe Biden's turn to run. It's that simple. Everything else is kabuki theater to lead you to believe you have a free choice. The donor class, mainstream media, and party elders have made their choice - it's Joe Biden. Yeah, I know you wanted steak, but have the cabbage casserole instead - it's the only choice on the menu!

    GOOD DAY
     
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    It worked for Trump, so you never know.
     
  17. Nook

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    I'm guessing 43% isn't a majority.... but I am just relying on math.

    Why is he getting less than 43% now?
     
  18. fchowd0311

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    Okay. I can understand that. Bernie shouldn't resort to those low brow insults and turn this into a GOP primary.

    But, when did he say that though?
     
  19. Nook

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    This is true and it is why we have primaries. It is very possible Sanders ends up the nominee.
     
  20. fchowd0311

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    You said he can't get no more than 1/3rd. If you were off by a percentage point my argument would be rightfully pedantic. But 43% is closer to 50% than 33% and therefore the difference here is enough to pass by a incorrect perception of the level of support for Bernie amongst Democrat voters.

    There are more than 2 people in the race. I'm sure when Warren eventually drops out a significant portion of her supporters are going to Bernie. It's indeterminate wether he had less or more than 43%. I'm very accepting of being disappointed and having to vote for Biden but life moves on.
     
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