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  1. lnchan

    lnchan Sugar Land Leonard
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    Saints released Mohammed nearly two weeks ago.
     
  2. The Stig

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    So what is general consensus on Yates?

    I thought he looked good before and he still does now. Could he be the answer to the QB problem?
     
  3. tmacfor35

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    What he did yesterday that Hoyer doesn't is that he was hitting the middle of the field.

    Yates looked really good yesterday.

    Hoyer is better, but he could utilize the middle a bit better.
     
  4. Two Sandwiches

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    I thought he played well given the situation, but he's probably as inaccurate, if not more, than Mallett. He was slinging balls in there, though, which could result in interceptions. He tended to stare his receivers down, and didn't feel pressure like he should have.


    That said, he had the offense moving, which, in my opinion, had more to do with creative play calling, and a good overall game plan.


    At this point, Yates is a decent backup. I think it was a good audition for him to show he can play in the league, but he should never be a starter.
     
  5. conquistador#11

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    yates was outstanding. it's what a backup qb should be. remember when frank reich would stroll on to the field and all houstonians would pee their pants before a snap even occurred? we should part ways with savage keep yates. Hoyer/yates/1st or 2nd round rookie.
     
  6. ROXRAN

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    Agreed with that. .. I also I know this is dream casting but imagine AJ from 6 years ago or so paired with Hopkins . Shame the ages overlapped the way it did
     
  7. Houstunna

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    Texans likely don't draft a 1st Round WR with 28 year old Johnson.

    Right now the current shame is the usual shame..... QB and GM
     
  8. Houstunna

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    Screw Atlanta for not beating the Colts.

    Playoffs will determined by @IND.


    Long as Smith gets fired, I'm good.
     
  9. tmacfor35

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    "I drafted JJ"

    "Clowney is coming around, as is XSF"

    "Don't you like Andre Hal"
     
  10. mick fry

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    Now why would you part ways with Savage?
     
  11. conquistador#11

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    the thing is wade drafted watt. wade didn't want ed reed, no one asked him.
    kubiak drafted hopkins, hof talent. the falcons gave up an entire draft for julio jones. we got one in the 27th.
    kubiak assembled this line from scraps, a damn good line when they're not moving to other positions. Kubiak and staff hit more than missed on drafts, but because the fall off at the qb everything looked like gloom and doom.

    all that said, i don't get the hate for rick smith. he is what he is, Mcnair's henchman. A cleverly disguised way to meddle with the team without actually appearing to meddle. How can media radio experts not see this?

    B.O.B still gets to hand pick his future qb. He just hasn't found one he likes. It's frustrating, but that's how he is going to roll.
    Rick takes the heat from both Mcnair and B.O.B. It's actually brilliant.
     
  12. zeeshan2

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    He actually beat Revis worse in the first quarter but Yates overthrew it. He was destroying Revis all game long...until Revis was hurt, that is. I wouldn't have been surprised if his injury status was "Out - Pride".
     
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    He clearly has power in this organization, given the Mallett missing the flight fiasco (whether it was the right call or not to cut him on Sunday, he overruled BOB).

    Whatever he does, it's evident that he's not good at it. He is clearly McNair's puppet, but he's the one putting some of these ideas into McNair's head and getting the go-ahead.

    Salary cap management has not been a plus, they've wasted money and roster spots on useless free agents (hello signing Ed Reed and letting Quin walk - this had Rick's hands all over it), and I think he does have a prominent role in scouting yet we don't have much to show for our drafts. We picked guys in the middle rounds of the draft that barely freakin' suited up and it wasn't for injury reasons (S.Montgomery and T.Williams).

    I don't think he has more control than the HC, but the one constant over the last 10 years has been him. I don't expect a GM that can come in and build a title contender by himself, but I do expect one that can bring *something* considerable to the table and at the very least manage the cap effectively.

    In my mind a savvy GM would have held off on the Schaub extension, not signed a washed up Ed Reed and held on to a good young safety for reasonable dollars, and perhaps had the foresight to hold onto someone like Justin Forsett knowing that Ben Tate was a goner the following year (and injury prone just like our starting RB).

    I also do not have high hopes long term for Clowney, I think we'll be lucky if he stays healthy and works hard enough to rely on as a contributor worthy of even a first round pick.
     
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Texans?src=hash">#Texans</a> offensive line were the big winners today. Proved they can do some good things. 123 yards rushing, first time over 100 since week 3.</p>&mdash; PDS (@PatDStat) <a href="https://twitter.com/PatDStat/status/668632733468397570">November 23, 2015</a></blockquote>
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">By my count. Offensive line gave up 5 hurries, 5 hits and one sack. Sack came with TJ holding the ball.
    35 total drop backs.
    <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Texans?src=hash">#Texans</a></p>&mdash; PDS (@PatDStat) <a href="https://twitter.com/PatDStat/status/668633130157236224">November 23, 2015</a></blockquote>
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  16. Nimo

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    The Giants with Eli scored 49 and still lost. This game is not a cakewalk
     
  17. Nimo

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    Hoyer might be better but I think the play-calling gets less creative with him in the game. The fact they needed to do more to help Yates opened up the offense so much more.
     
  18. Nimo

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    https://www.profootballfocus.com/bl...des-hopkins-toasts-revis-texans-earn-victory/


    Houston Texans
    – Playing in his first full game since his rookie season back in 2011, QB T.J. Yates (+0.8) had a solid performance yesterday. He wasn’t asked to do a ton – he had just 10 attempts which traveled 10+ yards in the air – but he was decisive, put his teammates in positions to make plays (which more times than not they did) and outside of a second quarter fumble he was careful with the football. Yates was extremely comfortable when given time to throw. When he wasn’t under pressure he was 13 of 25 for 207 yards, with two touchdowns and a +2.5 PFF Grade; when the Jets did manage to pressure him he was just 3 of 9 for 22 yards and a -1.7 PFF Grade.
    – DeAndre Hopkins (+3.2) caught five of his 10 targets for 118 yards and two touchdowns, and he easily won the battle between he and CB Darrelle Revis (-3.0). He caught four of his six targets for 98 yards and a touchdown (a 61-yard post route) against the future Hall of Famer. Hopkins wasn’t stranded on Revis Island Sunday, he was vacationing.
    – The Texans defense had a dominant performance yesterday led by DE J.J. Watt (+9.8) and OLB Jadaveon Clowney (+5.3). Watt had five total pressures (two sacks and three hits) while also posting a +5.9 grade against the run. This was Watt’s second highest graded game of the season (+13.9 in Week 8) and he now has an overall grade of +53.5 for the year. In his first game since Week 8, Clowney was mainly used in pass rushing situations (he was in on just eight snaps against the run) where he too had five total pressures (one sack and four hurries) along with two batted passes.
    Top performers:

    DE J.J. Watt (+9.8)
    OLB Jadeveon Clowney (+5.3)
    CB Jonathan Joseph (+3.3)
    WR DeAndre Hopkins (+3.2)
    RT Derek Newton (+2.9)

    New York Jets
    – QB Ryan Fitzpatrick (-3.2) was certainly not Fitzmagic on Sunday, posting his third consecutive game of -2.2 or worse. He had no answer for the Texans pass rush, going 3 of 10 for a total of just four yards when under pressure; and the wheels completely fell off toward the end of the game when not one, but two potential game-tying drives ended in Fitzpatrick interceptions (the first being an underthrown ball on a corner route, the second on a slant route where he misread the coverage).
    – The Jets offensive struggles can’t solely be blamed on Fitzpatrick, though. Every member of the Jets offensive line – with the exception of C Nick Mangold (-0.3) who played in just 11 snaps – finished with an overall grade of -1.6 or worse, highlighted by a -7.2 performance from RT Breno Giacomini. The line allowed 13 total pressures in pass protection (Giacomini gave up five) and they combined for a -9.7 run blocking grade.
    – On the defensive side of the ball, NT Damon Harrison (+6.7) flat out dominated; especially against the run (+5.7 run defense grade) where he had 10 stops, which is the most any defensive tackle has had in a game dating back to the beginning of PFF (2007). Harrison shattered the previous stops record for DTs of seven, which has been done multiple times, most recently in Week 3 of this season by Brandon Williams. Harrison had more stops on Sunday than Vince Wilfork and Brandon Mebane have for the season combined.
    Top performers:

    NT Damon Harrison (+6.7)
    CB Marcus Williams (+2.8)
    RB Bilal Powell (+2.4)
    SS Calvin Pryor (+2.1)
    FS Marcus Gilchrist (+1.2)
    RB Chris Ivory (+1.2)
     
  19. Mr. Clutch

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    You just explained pretty well why Rick is hated.

    BOB is winning with a lot of Kubiak holdovers. Will be interesting to see if he can draft/ sign well going forward. The six picks for two busts was not the best start
     
  20. Mr. Clutch

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    Don't forget the Cushing extension. You may also put the Foster extension in there.

    I'm more optimistic on Clowney. Coming back from a really bad surgery and playing well says a lot
     

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