I thank the sane posters who realize that Hinrich is not enough of an upgrade over Rafer to warrant that extra 6 mil of baggage a year.
Then where do they play Larry Hughes and Ben Gordon? Ok, ok - so they trade Gordon away. Hughes aint going anywhere - he's on the books for 12 and 13 mill the next 2 seasons! The Bulls need to do something with their long-term contracts so they can make some space to re-sign guys like Gordon, Deng, Thomas, Noah. I think hooroo's signature deal isn't overly unrealistic: Trade Alston and BJax for Hinrich --> this gives the Bulls $13mill in expirings between BJax and Drew Gooden --> that could secure Deng/ Gordon. Then next season they hold $19mill between Alston and Hughes --> that could secure Thomas/ Noah/ Rose. Hinrich has 4 seasons left and will make $37.5million. Alston/BJax will make $17million. That's $20million that Chicago could put to better use rather than trying to force Hinrich/ Rose to play 2-guard (at 6'3 and 6'2 each, that isn't a great idea... see Head, Luther) Why would we do that deal? Quite simply: Hinrich is a better shooter than Alston, and a better defender. What do you need in the PG spot when you're running an offense that has a superstar C? Solid D to stop the penetration and outside shooting that can really hurt. You especially need that if you're running with a superstar wing player. The bonus with Hinrich is that he can also make his own shot in the halfcourt set AND finish --> OR AT LEAST make his FT's when required (which is also something that is essential to the makeup of this team with McGrady being an average FT shooter). Is our PG depth thin by trading away Alston? Maybe - but we'll see what's in Francis' tank; we'll see what Aaron Brooks has to offer; and we could even snatch Chalmers/ Hill in the draft for some depth.
Rafer $4.9 million this year and $5.25 million next year HInrich is $10 million this year, $9.5 million next year and then continues to drop I would give up any combo of : Rafer Luther Bjax Francis Hayes and our number 1 pick to get him. The Bulls might love to save the money on Hinrich's deal.....and he would be an ideal fit here in Houston... DD
AND in 4 years time, that 8M won't be too much more than the MLE OR - if we kept Rafer, then his next deal would start at 6-6.5 mill and by the time Kirk is making 8m, Rafer would be making 7m. I think Hinrich is 1million dollars better - PLUS we'd have him for the life of Mings contract - see my previous post for the reason why he'd be a good fit with a dominant C.
It's all speculation, we can say Kirk would be a great fit but for an extra 7 mill is not worth the risk. We know what Rafer can contribute and while I also want an upgrade at pg I don't see the drastic upgrade here. What if he doesn't "Fit" I'd hate to be stuck with that salary.
Too bad Paxson would laugh at any of the thousands of combinations that could be put together out of that garbage. I still don't get how he's an "ideal" fit on this team other than his assist:turnover ratio is slightly better than Rafer. He doesn't penetrate, he doesn't shoot at a DECENT (i'm not even gonna ask for good here) clip, and his 3pt% is either Rafer-esque or pretty respectable depending on the year (i.e. inconsistent). Calderon is an "ideal" fit (great penetration, excellent FT shooter and 3pt shooter, good mid range game, ridiculous assist:turnover ratio); Hinrich is just someone slightly better than Rafer.
Agree on Calderon, but he is not coming...should have kept V-Span....but disagree on Hinrich, I think he is much better than Rafer. DD
With Hinrich you get the following upgrades: Defense Rebounding Assists Points per game feild goal percentage 3pt percentage Steals Your right. What was I thinking. Kirk Hinrich is clearly a not an upgrade over Rafer.
I'm just throwing out Calderon's name as an "ideal" fit. I'm not saying Hinrich isn't better than Rafer but he shouldn't be paid (nor considered because of said pay) like he's Chris Paul to Rafer Alston's....well Rafer Alston. As for V-Span.....that's all you DD
I don't think you're getting my point, an upgrade? Yes, marginally but yes. But for 10 million? I just don't think his numbers are that much better to warrant that extra salary in the cap.
my main issue is his game, if he comes in and scores 16 points and gets 6-7 assists he's arguably worth the salary. The rockets need a guard who can penetrate imo, i used to believe you could just have shooters sit around tracy and yao, but tracy has gotten a little to old, someone needs to take pressure off him to create
Defense: What is this based upon? Sure Hinrich plays Dwyane Wade pretty damn well the past couple of playoffs but what else gives him this advantage? Rebounding Here's another head scratcher because they both average the same number of rebounds over the course of their career. Assists Advantage: Hinrich. I'll give this to him any day of the week. 6.4 vs. 4.8. I'll round that up to about two more assist per game. But here's the thing: Rafer's 4.8 is over only at about 29 minutes of playing time. Which, if i did my math correctly, is 8 assists per 48 minutes. Hinrich's is 6.4 in about 35 minutes of work....which is about 8.8 assists per 48 minutes..... but no matter, I'll just give this to Hinrich. Points per game Advantage: neither. Hinrich's career average is better than Alston's but I think Rafer was never a 2nd option on his team (or even a 3rd up until last year) like Hinrich was. But I think this is a wash because I don't expect my point guard to score in this high teens or low twenties if he's doing what he's supposed to--getting other players easy baskets. Field goal percentage The ole .414 vs. .386 debate. Of course Hinrich's the better shooter. No argument there. 3pt percentage Another misconception. Both aren't that great....or even good actually. Hinrich's had a couple of seasons where he's hit about 40%. But Rafer had a couple of seasons between 38% and 39%. Either way, this isn't going to be a big advatange for either guys. Steals Another misconception. Their career average are virtually identical. Hey, I wouldn't mind Hinrich as my point guard, I really wouldn't. But if this was baseball, where salary cap be damned, I wouldn't care what Hinrich makes. I rather have: -Rafer at 5 mill for the next two seasons (which he'll be gone and we might have cap room to finally get a point guard worth the money) or -trade for a point guard that's actually worth the money (which Hinrich clearly isn't)
There's extra salary when you consider that Hinrich's salary is equal to that of Rafer Alston's plus a MLE player. Then you gotta factor in the fact that Hinrich's contract is still running even after Yao's extension ends. That's a LONG time.
Hey, you know I agree with you on this fo-sure.....I have been screaming about a penetrating player for many years. That is one of the main reasons I like V-Span's potential..... Maybe the team thinks Brooks might fill that need.....if he gets confidence, he could be the guy.. DD
