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[Official] Hunter Biden Art Appreciation and Discussion Thread

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Os Trigonum, Jul 8, 2021.

  1. Os Trigonum

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    Pssst... There are nucular secrets hidden in the paintings also Duh Vinci Code.

    Better make that stuff prosecutable!
     
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    who doesn't love good art

    Hunter Biden Art Buyer Revealed As A Major Democrat Donor And Joe Biden Appointee

    https://thefederalist.com/2023/07/25/hunter-biden-art-buyer-revealed-as-a-major-democrat-donor-and-joe-biden-appointee/

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    “Hunter Biden is a private citizen who is entitled to have his own career as an artist,” White House spokesman Ian Sams asserted. “We are not involved in his art sales, and any buyers of his art are not disclosed to the White House.”

    Hunter Biden’s counsel, Abbe Lowell, separately claimed Hunter only “learned the identities of Hirsh Naftali and a second buyer after they had purchased his art through his gallery, because they were his friends.”

    It’s worth noting that Hunter has indicated before that he could use his influence to have confidants appointed to the Commission for the Preservation of America’s Heritage Abroad. In 2015, for instance, President Barack Obama appointed Eric Schwerin — a “longtime business associate” of Hunter’s — to the commission. According to Insider, email communications from Hunter’s laptop suggest the then-vice president’s son “had sway over Schwerin’s appointment.”

    “Eric asked me for one of these the day after the election in 2008,” Hunter purportedly emailed a cousin “who had written inquiring about the possibility of a similar appointment for her mother.”
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    In addition to an energy expert and a foreign policy expert, he's also a brilliant artist! So many ways to make millions -- he truly is the smartest man Joe Biden knows! No corruption whatsoever. He's a modern day Michelangelo + Kissinger combo.
     
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    The art scam is probably going to explode

    https://hotair.com/jazz-shaw/2023/07/27/the-art-scam-is-probably-going-to-explode-n567429

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    Earlier this week, we looked at the ongoing scam where First Son Hunter Biden has been cranking out paintings as supposed “works of art” and selling them to mysterious benefactors for staggering sums of money. Since the private sale of artwork doesn’t legally have to be reported to the public, it’s an almost foolproof way to move large sums of money around while having it be nearly untraceable. That got me thinking about other areas where this scam could be employed to circumvent various financial transparency laws. And campaign finance regulations were among the first possibilities to come to mind, which is what I wanted to bring up for discussion today. But first, here’s a reminder of precisely how lucrative this has been for The Big Guy’s errant son. (NY Post)

    First son Hunter Biden’s novice artwork has raked in at least $1.3 million — with buyers including a Democratic donor “friend’’ whom his dad named to a prestigious commission, a report said Monday…

    Meanwhile, Business Insider said the largest chunk of Hunter’s art sales so far has gone to a single deep-pocketed mystery buyer — who scooped up 11 artworks for a total of $875,000.

    The outlet reported that one of Hunter’s art buyers is his “sugar brother” Kevin Morris, a wealthy lawyer who reportedly lent him about $2 million to pay off back taxes.

    In the case of Hunter Biden, the money was channeled to him through these supposed art sales most likely at the request of the purchasers. That’s understandable, because there are probably a lot of people who would still like to purchase influence with the Bidens but don’t want their names publicly tied to the former (?) crack addict.

    But other people in American political circles could use this same type of scheme to great effect and they wouldn’t even have to hide the names of their “patrons.” There are strict limits on how much money people and organizations can give to political campaigns and people have gone to jail for violating those rules. But anyone can purchase “art” of any kind and there are no regulations as to how much the artist or gallery can charge. It’s pure capitalism and the “product” can bring in whatever the market will bear. Typically, art is purchased because it’s considered of great value and a collector either wants it for themself or may consider selling it at a profit later. But even pointless or simply stupid art can fetch eye-popping prices. A few years ago, half of a banana stuck to a wall sold for $120,000. But what if the “patron” isn’t really interested in the art at all?

    Now consider someone like George Santos. He’s run into some terrible fundraising issues ever since his seemingly endless lies and alleged campaign finance improprieties were exposed. But he did find some wealthy Chinese investors who were willing to kick in. That money all has to be detailed in the candidate’s campaign finance reports, however. What if Santos picked up a pallet and some brushes and paint and just started slapping together some stick figures and paint-by-numbers creations? He could then be approached by anonymous benefactors who could give him millions of dollars so long as they had a “painting” to show for it. And candidates are allowed to “loan” their own campaign money out of their own pockets, as Santos has already claimed to have done.
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    Glad this thread is back because I didn't manage to post the first time around. My father is an artist, so the dollars Hunter is pulling in offends me. I like his paintings alright, really, but people don't really pay the big dollars for the art in art (which you can enjoy on the web for free), they pay that for the meta-properties of the art -- because of the provenance of the artifact or the reputation or story of the artist. If he was not the president's son, he'd be happy to get $5k for a painting instead of $500k (looking forward to seeing what his art fetches in 2029).

    And it's not because the buyers think a painting by a president's son is going to be culturally relevant in the future and that value will be sustained -- a phenomenon that might apply to GWB's paintings. He's seeing 100x inflation (presuming anyone would buy his art at all) of his art value because of political corruption. One avenue is the one Trump profited from with his Trump properties, where sheikhs and CEOs booked stays at a Trump property just so that the president could see they were a friend and maybe be well-disposed toward them when next they meet. And Hunter can erect a wall at the sale so he doesn't see who bought his painting and for how much, but at some point Hunter or Joe or an ambassador or whatever will be touring someone's mansion and they'll see Hunter's painting hanging. They can see that host is a 'special friend.' Another avenue to make money is from friends who want to give money but are constrained by the optics or regulations, so they buy the art instead. Sounds like Hunter already has a friend doing that.

    One thing we have seen from the Hunter conspiracy theories that does ring true is that, like in many families, the Bidens' finances are intertwined. Hunter pays for things the wider family enjoys. So when he makes money, the whole family benefits. And when he makes crooked money, it reflects poorly on all of them.

    Does any of this effect government policy? I guess it depends on how Joe Biden and others react to Hunter's special friends. I would hope that when Joe Biden sees his son's overvalued artwork hanging on someone's wall, that's a warning to him to keep that person at arm's length because he's trying to be corrupt. But maybe he doesn't react that way. Maybe he sees a benefactor there and is well-disposed to that person. I honestly don't know which way Joe would swing. But, I am not set at ease by the rationalizing the Whie House spokesmen do about how Hunter is a private citizen and a gifted artist or whatever, and is free to sell his art and everything is fine. What they should say is that people are free to buy and enjoy his art, but that the White House would frown upon anyone in domestic or international politics who would think owning a Hunter painting would somehow help their relationship with the White House. If people believed it wouldn't help them -- or actually hurt them -- with relations with the White House, those paintings wouldn't sell for what they're selling for.
     
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    This. An art dealer said that premiums are paid for celebrity art work but the prices paid for Hunters art work far exceeds established norms. And Hunter isn't exactly A-List at this point in his career.
     

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