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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by rimrocker, Sep 25, 2016.

  1. Space Ghost

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    Completely agree! Only a fool would 'donate' his money to the government. People gift, donate, tithe to private organizations everyday, but nobody has confidence in the government that their dollar will be used in a good way. Trumps taxes, position on Iraq war and the birther issue are no relevance.

    The questions not asked is how the Clintons, Bushes and Obamas of politics are career politicans who's job is to serve the American people. How is it they are multimillionaires over and over again?
     
  2. Space Ghost

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    Completely agree! Only a fool would 'donate' his money to the government. People gift, donate, tithe to private organizations everyday, but nobody has confidence in the government that their dollar will be used in a good way. Trumps taxes, position on Iraq war and the birther issue are no relevance.

    The questions not asked is how the Clintons, Bushes and Obamas of politics are career politicans who's job is to serve the American people. How is it they are multimillionaires over and over again?
     
  3. leroy

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    Well, the Obamas and Clintons were paid to write books and were attorneys. Michelle Obama was fairly high powered attorney. The Bush family had oil interests going back to 41's father. It's not a stretch to assume they are relatively wealthy before they became President.

    I get what you're saying but it wasn't the office that made them rich. They already were before they got there.
     
  4. fchowd0311

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    The point still is flying over your heads. His premise is based on a narrative that job creators are being stiffled by taxes hence they cannot 'create jobs'. When the multi-billionare 'job creator' who is making this premise admits that he doesn't pay taxes, it throws a giant wrench into said premise.
     
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  5. fchowd0311

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    Don't worry about Space Ghost. He is a communist who doesn't believe in the free market.
     
  6. CometsWin

    CometsWin Breaker Breaker One Nine

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    Trump was right. He literally could shoot someone and his trolls would still vote for him. He has a cockroach level low type bar on which he's evaluated. White supremacist nonsense, no big deal. Supported the war he now says he didn't support, no big deal. Won't release tax returns, doesn't pay taxes, banks would lend him money, no big deal. Flies off the handle at the most innocuous remark, no big deal. Can't even speak without sounding like a crack addict, no big deal. Doesn't know anything about government or how any of it works, no big deal. There was once the New Deal and now there's the Trump standard which is I'm A Loud Obnoxious Idiot, No Big Deal.
     
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  7. Amiga

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    It's public record. Check out their tax returns and the fees they get from their speeches and books.

    You are one very bias cat. You stated Trump's tax returns isn't of an relevance, yet you question how these other folks are millionaires when that's publicly known through their tax returns. You know, Trump is running for president and how he make money is as important as how these other folks make money to most folks.
     
  8. TheresTheDagger

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    Trump's individual situation aside, your premise is false.

    http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...-pay-most-income-taxes-but-enough-to-be-fair/

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  9. SamFisher

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    What exactly does the % of returns filed have to with anything about whether their tax rate is stifling their ability to create jobs? All it tells us is what % of people pay in each bracket. It tells us nothing about the net rate they pay or the burden they face. This seems like a total non-sequiter.
     
  11. TheresTheDagger

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    I'll make this simple.

    Any money that is taxed is not available for investment. Increasing taxes lessens investment by definition.
     
  12. okierock

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    Reality.

    Where is the middle class in that chart? Looks like they pay about 43% of the INCOME taxes.

    The problem with this chart is it really doesn't represent the taxes that are paid because corporations pay taxes too and there are plenty of taxes that are not INCOME taxes.

    The top of that list pays a lot more taxes that just income taxes.
     
  13. Juxtaposed Jolt

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    That's in the context of a verb. You're using it as a noun, to label a person. There's a clear difference between an actual r****ded person, and the two idiots we have to choose between, for POTUS. (Only a slight difference, though. lol)
     
  14. dmoneybangbang

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    He doesn't pay taxes and is yet concerned about the debt? Guess he or you doesn't see the issue there...How people convince themselves Trump cares for the working and middle class is beyond me.
     
  15. TheresTheDagger

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    Well, kind of.
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    Don't get me wrong. I think he needs to be paying them too. I just don't blame him for taking advantage of STUPID LAWS AND LOOPHOLES. I'm more angry with the politicians and lobbyists who created this situation. Everyone pays the least amount of tax they can. If I could get away with paying zero, I'd do it too.
     
  17. dmoneybangbang

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    Actually Obama put forth a stimulus, that got severely neutered by Congress, that would have been a good fiscal policy to go along with the monetary policy. We could be building more infrastructure from interstates, bridges, commuter rail to update water infrastructure and power grids... but we wasted 6 years but Congress prefers to cut off its nose to spite its face.

    Do you understand how monetary and fiscal policy works? Do you understand that Congress controls fiscal policy? The FED controls monetary policy?
     
  18. DonnyMost

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    On the one hand you have Trump's response to paying no federal taxes. "Smart thing to do", "government would just waste it", etc.

    On the other hand you have Warren Buffet's response to his tax rate. "My friends and I have been coddled long enough by a billionaire-friendly Congress. It's time for our government to get serious about shared sacrifice", "tax us more", "It's ridiculous that I pay less taxes than my secretary," and so on.

    As a businessman I don't blame Trump for taking advantage of the laws as they are written. However, as a Presidential candidate I see him having no intention of fixing the broken tax system nor do I see him ever investing in American services and infrastructure, and that sucks.
     
  19. dmoneybangbang

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    But would you then go around and say the debt is a problem if you were paying zero in taxes?
     
  20. Amiga

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    He talks about lowering tax rates, mostly targeted toward the top earners and a one time 10% tax on fund that has been left oversea to avoid US federal income taxes. I think he have intention to do those. He, however, haven't said anything about eliminating loopholes.
     

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