Last night I think when Harden took a bad three early in the shot clock McHale told him from the sideline that he has to move the ball around. I think Clyde mentioned this.
Thanks for the above logical posts. The herd was definitely nearly unanimously against McHale to a ridiculous degree. I never got where this consensus was so firmly derived from. At times the board gets like this with a group think mentality.
Should have buried it in the game thread instead of repeating. Truly one of the more head scratching complaints I've read regarding McHale. And trust me, there has been some pretty ****ing big headscratchers. You know how young players can learn from their mistakes? By sitting their ass when they are doing something wrong. Not leaving them out there so they continue to embarrass themselves, form bad habits, and kill their own confidence. When Greg Popovich does this, it is one of the best coaches of all time giving tough love. When McHale does it, he is clueless and doesn't give young players enough rope? And you should try telling the coaching staff they aren't likely to make the playoffs. Try telling Harden, Lin, Asik, Parsons, Delfino who bust their ass every game and willed their way to a 6th seed right now that they aren't likely to make the playoffs. Maybe they end up missing it by a hair. Maybe you are right. But if you think for a second that every person on this team isn't giving their all to prove that wrong, you are mistaken. And in the midst of all that, when a guy like Delfino comes in last night and CARRIES the team, you want to pull him to baby Parsons who was -11 in 19 minutes so he can "develop"? **** that. That is how a coach loses respect of the entire locker room. But you wouldn't know anything about that because you have never coached a day in your life. Please keep the garbage in the game thread where it belongs.
They say hindsight is the greatest teacher. After seeing who ClutchFans wanted as head coach, I am very glad that others are in charge of hiring Rockets personnel.
I was never complaining but please keep reading your own personal emotion into my posts Really is that how players learn news to me? I guess Matt Barnes was lying to himself when he said that he loves that VDN lets him play through his mistakes. Why are we bringing up Greg Popovich? And if we want to start comparing the Rockets to the Spurs why don't we just also notice that the Spurs are actually title contenders while we are not. Lets also compare the fact that Pop is the only coach in the NBA that actually dilligently focuses on developing players & teaching them skills. No other coach does this. Simple things as positioning on screens & other basic fundamentals are all things Pop focuses on whereas other coaches are focused on winning & only winning. Maybe the Rockets make the playoffs maybe they don't would I cry if they did make it no obviously not. But I don't see this team getting past the first round & there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. What this team has accomplished thus far has far exceeded everyones expectations. A coach loses respect in the locker room when they don't hold players accountable. You can hold Parsons accountable while letting him play through errors. When Harden repeatedly loses his man & is lackadaisical on defense McHale still keeps him out there as he should. Are we babying James? If parsons was hurt then I will gladly say I am wrong. I am quite baffled that you are so angry by my post. LOL
You know what would be great for the development of the youngest team in the league? Playing in the playoffs. You might think that it means little. You might think that trotting out a struggling Parsons to lose you games helps the team more. I suggest you go apply for a head coaching job in the NBA, and see how fast they fire your ass. We let James play through his lackadaisical defense because he is our best player by a wide, WIDE, margin. Despite his defense, he still helps our team tremendously every second that he is on the court, because he is that good. Parsons does not afford that luxury. This isn't rocket science. The coaches, and players, are trying to win. You keep players contributing to that in the game, and take players hurting them out. Parsons was hurting the team. Period. It is better for the team, for the short term, for the long term, for him to learn from that. On the bench. Don't be baffled. You know all those assholes who nitpick and complain about everything Jeremy Lin does, despite how he continues to help the team in many ways outside of scoring(and now scoring as well)? You remember how this was confirmation bias because these assholes already formed an opinion about Lin before they ever even saw him play, and just complained about everything he does now? I hate those people, y'know? Well, with McHale, you are that *******.
So Matt Barnes is the shining light to your argument? Do you think a professional player wants to play through their mistakes? Of course... Is it always beneficial to the team? Of course not. I bet every NBA agent wants the coach to play their guys regardless of performance, it doesn't mean that it is the best way to develop them or to use your team as a coach. In terms of what you said about Popovich, I agree with the fact that those things are partly what he teaches. However, to say "no other coach does this" and that Pop focuses on the micro (screens and "other basic fundamentals" -- whatever that means) whereas other coaches focus on the macro (winning and nothing else) is a completely puerile evaluation of the game, and to me just speaks to the level at which you view the game. What the Spurs do better than anyone else is pass up good shots for great shots. They do this because out of their wedge action (the main offense that they run) they have incredible weak side spacing and they get ball movement from side to side like crazy. Teams like ours just give up on our defensive rotations at some point and decide it's easier to pray for a missed 3 pointer. They also have great court balance -- if a 1, 2, or 3 drives the ball, the other 2 wings rotate up to fill and usually get the pass at the top of the key for a swing-swing 3 ball. The Spurs have a system, and 10 year vets all over their roster. You could say that just about every franchise is in dire straits compared to them. Do you think it's easier to incorporate guys on a winning franchise, with little-to-no turnover on a yearly basis, lots of vets, the same coach and an established system? Me too.
This is a valid point &I agree. ask Raskol. I am a chick they wouldn't hire me. This is a blatant double standard. You can't have it both ways going by your logic. When he lets Alexy Shved, Foye, Green & a few other wing players go off because of lack of effort (not ability) that is developing bad habits & setting a poor precedent to other players in the locker room who give effort consistently even though some lack the ability. What message does that send to guys like Omer or Lin or Parsons who at least give effort on the defensive end that Harden is given a pass? Please based on your logic you can't have it both ways. And if Harden is our best player by a wide margin should be not be held to the highest standard? Meh Oh lord have mercy this is just to much. I was never complaining but please keep saying that I am. And obviously I am suffering from confirmation bias & I think McHale is a terrible coach who knows absolutely nothing about basketball & he makes Keith Smart look like a HOFer. If the Rockets were to win a title I would give all credit to everybody but McHale (even Scott the Answer Machado). Despite the fact that I have said before that I don't hate McHale, I think he is a good coach, I love the fact that players genuinely love the guy & he shouldn't be fired nor will he be fired etc. Thanks for calling me an ******* on New Years day. It is sad that a simple discussion can't occur without name calling
Blatant double standard my ass. You play the guys who help you win, and bench the guys hurting the team. Harden, despite a lack of effort on defense at times, still helps the team win every second he is on the court. Parson, when he is playing like last night, hurts the team. That's it. You don't TANK games by benching Harden just to send him a message. You can WIN games by benching guys hurting the team like Parsons was last night.
I'm done with the conversation have a great day agree to disagree. Thanks for calling me an ******* though because of a difference of opinion. Happy New Years to you & yours.
LOL. I wasn't the one who started the name calling. It's sad that people can't stay classy & have lively discussions without the name calling. But I am not surprised though the internet is a bullet proof vest. Seriously it is 2pm in my area & I am being called an ******* on *****ing New Years Day of all days. Can a person live?! My goodness.
All you need to know about why Harden always plays regardless of his defense, and others don't, is look back to JVG. The JVG who preaches defense against all else, a disciple of Pat Riley, who would never play anyone who didn't give 110% on defense... he played T-Mac 40mpg night after night. He would scream at every other player for missing defensive assignments, but T-Mac would always play. T-Mac would stand around on D, roll his lazy eyes, give half assed effort, and JVG would not say a single damned thing. And not a single Rocket during the JVG era stopped trying on defense as a result. If Parsons wants to know why Harden can get away with mediocre defense, all McHale needs to do is ask Parsons if he can put up 26/4/5 on .601TS% on offense.
Where you a different poster under a different name? A lot of what you say makes sense. I've not seen us run loop action, but I haven't seen most of the Nov games either. And it seems they did run a lot of pistol action for Harden especially in the early going. I remember that. I do think that often times when Lin comes off the step-up screen and the defender goes under (because lin doesn't shot the 3 well) he seems like he's not sure what to do next. I get people having to space out...maybe these guys just need more time with the system and it's way too early to judge.
Hah.... So let me get this straight... This argument is about the playing time of Chandler Parsons?? The same second year, second round pick who is in the top 10% of all NBA player on playing time this year, on the all star ballot, and putting up career numbers? Damn you McHale for holding that young talent back by playing Delfino more minutes last night when Delfino is going 6 for 8 from the 3 and capping it off a season high 7 assists. Parsons is going to be fine and he's going to get plenty of PT for the remainder of the season.
