[Official] Do you support military strikes against Syria?

This is what happens when a "community organizer" takes on a former KGB agent. He's made to look the fool on the international stage.

I actually almost feel badly for John Kerry. I didn't think anything would ever make that happen.

 

LOL. I'm better than nothing, but seriously: we do not have all the data. I'm fairly confident that (1) there is a pretty vigorous back-channel set of communications, and (2) the "deciders" have a lot more data than we do.

Now, where you and I agree is that this ultimately could have been handled better (based on the publicly available data anyway.) That's my opinion, and I think we agree.

Good god, though, in any case I hope we stay the hell out of this Syria mess.

 

Agree.

Agree.

Agree.

 

I didn't say it might have been something they discussed. I said IT WAS DISCUSSED! Stop putting words in my mouth.

I never said it was planned all along. Again, stop putting words in my mouth. Thank you.

Maybe in your paranoid universe. I don't think the Kerry remark was planned, I think it was merely the opening Russia needed to publically reintroduce the idea. I think when it was discussed that Obama said no, thinking it was a bad deal and he could get more. And when Congress started not backing him, Russia saw a chance to reintroduce the idea. That's it. No plan, but more a result of Congress being iffy.

 

That's enough fun for one day. I'm off to watch a delusional man strategize with his neighbor's pot-smoking psychotic dog-man.

Either that or catch up on South Park.

 

A lot of us learned from reading your tirades ten years ago. Now it's just boring and repetitious.

 

If the outcome is that Syria puts its chemical weapons under UN control/gets rid of them and they will never be used again, and all of that without a military strike by the West, then this is the best possible outcome.

Whether credit for that should go to Obama, to Putin, to both of them or to none of them, and how each of them exploits this for domestic politics - I don't care.

The important thing is that the West does not get dragged into another war that no good can come out of - and that chemical weapons are no longer used in Syria, no matter by whom.

 

My prediction. This is not over yet. Chemical weapons are not the main issue and they never have been. Obama might even only be posturing knowing he can keep making more and more demands for endless inspections knowing that eventually Syria will have to say no more intrusion. Obama can turn around then and use this as a tactic to gain more votes in Congress and manipulate lagging public opinion. This is a page out of the Bush farce leading up to the Iraq War.

IF YOU DON'T WANT THE WAR KEEP CLLING CONGRESS DURING THE TWISTS AND TURNS AND DON'T BE FOOLED BY SUCH TACTICS.

Too many folks want war: 1) the weapons manufacturers. 2) the Israelis and the neocons always, love for us to bomb their enemies. 3) they are obssessed with Iran 4). Despite their continual opposition to the very moderate Obama causing them to temporarily act like doves the conservatives like military conflict. 5). The GOP will immediately turn around and do the Dem Obama is weak on defense meme of forever to screw w Obama and please their defense industry contributors who fear a peace dividend more than any terrorists.
6). Obama will still want to posture as the tough guy in control of the Middle East when we are not and just make things worse with a military first second and third policy.

 

soundin like a president, how u?

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Far from it dude.

And I guess he went skiing during his break?

 

What the hell happened to his face? Is he buying the face bronzing cream Mitt used on Telemundo?

Doesn't sound very Presidential and hard to picture him holding the office... but people said the same about Carter and he won, so you never know.

 

He was so totally wrong then,but so sure of himself.

He won't admit it, but he really knows how he was played in the Iraq lead up. Otherwise he would be so hot to have some rockets light up Damascus and would be discussing with delight the various rocket components and intricacies of the payloads.

 

Too much spray on tan. Only rural Kentucky and some "libertarians" would actually go for the guy. He could raise tons of corporate money, though.

 

Hypocrisy OVERLOAD.

 

So your version of victory is nothing less than having Syria be rid of all their chemical weapons in just a few weeks after the 'war' talk started? Everybody has their standards but don't you think your expectations are a tad bit unrealistic? IMHO, anytime you can avert/delay war and have the parties sit on the table and talk, is always a victory for this planet.

Sure, it could be a delaying tactic just like the thousands of other possibilities (we can come up with) as to why Syria is on the negotiation table. That doesn't make it FACT. The FACT is... at this point (as far as we know), diplomacy is the route being taken - not war.

 

I fully agree. Some seem obsessed about criticizing Obama over this even though they oppose action in the first place. I don't see what matters if more credit should go to Obama, to Putin, to Kerry or to someone else. This seems like the best solution out of a very bad situation. It's not going to be perfect but with Syria right now perfection is pretty much impossible.

 

What evidence do you have for this? If anything Obama doesn't seem like he wanted to or really wants to deal with Syria right now.

Again what evidence is there for this? If Obama really wanted to get involved in Syria why wait two years? For that matter why didn't he take action a year ago when reports first came out about chemical weapons? And especially why bother going to a vote in Congress instead of just bombing and citing Commander and Chief powers like other Presidents have done before?

 

You aren't making any sense. I never said anything about planned. I said discussed and I shared a link. I think you have some sort of weird issue admitting you were wrong.