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Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by Castor27, Jul 26, 2010.

  1. rockets934life

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    No way Brett should make another start in an Astros uni, the guy just came up with a gem in front of a ton of scouts. Wade should make every effort to squeeze a couple of nice prospects out of Myers by Saturday.
     
  2. cardpire

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    i agree, but at the same time, give wade credit for signing him in the first place. in my eyes, he's basically earned a freeroll to handle myers' situation however he best sees fit, and it would be tough to criticize him either way.
     
  3. rockets934life

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    Agree, Myers is free money at this point but man I would sure like to cash in that free money by Saturday. Wade has done an okay job with the club and a darn good one with the draft so Ill give him the deadline to see if he goes from okay to good IMO.
     
  4. YouCompleteMe

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    To easen the pain, the Astros should trade Berkman, Oswalt, and Myers. (Lee is untradable due to his enormous contract.) In return we get prospects, and begin the rebuilding process. Not trading those guys would just be delaying the inevitable.
     
  5. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    Is it still baseball season?

    DD
     
  6. Uprising

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    Nice grand slam by Puma. That was fun to see.
     
  7. BrooksBall

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    I call dibs on having Brett Myers' babies.
     
  8. BrooksBall

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    I think a lot of it had to with Lilly being a LHP and Berkman's struggles as a RHB. Don't expect to see anything like that against RHP.

    Berkman is still our best hitter after sustaining two injuries and undergoing surgery right before the season.

    If he comes into next season healthy, I can still see him posting another high .900 OPS season.
     
  9. msn

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    eh, no he's not. He's one of the worst hitters in the league.

    potential/talent is worthless. by production, Berkman is simply horrible this year.

    so sad. just three years ago we were all projecting how long he would need to sustain his level of play to be a certain HoF inductee one day.

    now, it's not even a longshot -- it's a joke. :(
     
  10. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    He is 27th in OBP and 37th in OPS. He is far from one of the worst hitters in the league.
     
  11. rockets934life

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    One of the worst in the league maybe overstating it but he is hitting .240 and slugging .429, like I mentioned yesterday if you take away that 5 games spurt he would be one of the worst offensive 1st baseman in MLB.
     
  12. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    While taking away a 5 game spurt of good offense to make an argument, is it O.K. to take away a 5 game spurt of bad offense? For example, I can take away 5 bad games (in a row) and get his average to .250+, his SLG to .450+ and his OBP to .450+. those numbers have him leading all NL 1st baseman in OBP and around 3rd in OPS.

    Regardless, no one would argue that Berkman is having a bad year, but he is not one of the worst offensive players in the league.
     
  13. rockets934life

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    Actually the fair thing to do is remove Puma's best five game stretch and worst five game stretch, now look at his numbers?
     
  14. BrooksBall

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    If you take away the best 5-game stretches from a lot of players, their overall numbers would take a significant hit. The best thing to do is not take anything away and just look at the facts.

    Berkman is still our best hitter and that is after coming off two injuries and surgery to start the season.

    It's amazing to see the way people have been taking jabs at Berkman over the last couple of years, not just on this forum. Maybe if he juiced and acted like a prima donna, some fans would appreciate him better.

    Facts:

    -Berkman has the 20th best OPS of all-time! In a sport that has had tens of thousands of players since it's inception (more if you include the minors), that's probably the equivalent of saying that an NBA player has one of the top 2 or 3 PERs of all-time.

    -Berkman is the 2nd best switch-hitter of all-time going by career OPS! Only Mickey Mantle was better. He's been better than Chipper Jones and Mark Teixeira among elite active switch-hitters but I guarantee you that a lot of Astros fans aren't aware of that.

    -Berkman has a better career OPS than the following active or recently retired superstars: Ryan Howard, Vlad Guerrero, Chipper Jones, Miguel Cabrera, Jason Giambi, Matt Holliday, Daivd Ortiz, Mark Teixeira, Ken Griffey Jr., and the list goes on and on.

    Opinions:

    -He accomplished all of this while being a class act and a great role model in a generation where there are all too many drug users and douchebags in the sporting world.

    -If he truly is in decline and never hits another HR or has another season as an elite hitter, I would never forget how privileged I've been to watch him throughout the majority of his career.

    Incredible player. Incredible person.
     
  15. rockets934life

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    The facts are he is hitting .240, Slugging .420, his OBP and OPS are both lower then they've been in his career. I understand he has HAD great CAREER numbers and is a great person but this mentallity gets teams in trouble. If your argument is going to be injuries then I say he should be shut down like someone else mentioned but I will also say attendance counts. He has declined every year for the last 3 or 4 and has shown injury issues more and more frequently. Love the guy but love the Stros more, I actually think the losing is also helping his decline excel a bit and moving to a contender would help his career as much as it will help the Stros future.
     
  16. msn

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    He's 36th in the league in RBI and 49th in slugging. You're right; I quite overstated it -- but is also far from one of the best hitters in the league. Additionally, he is *not* the best hitter on his own team anymore. By the numbers, several starters (and maybe a pitcher or two?) are outproducing him.

    Brooksy, you're dead-on right about Berkman's career. But right now there is no way he's the best hitter on the team. Look at his production--or lack thereof, to be more to the point.

    I love the guy for all the reasons you state, and also for the way he handles his faith (not wearing it on his sleeve but not being ashamed either).

    But he's just not what he once was. Sure it's because of injury. But the fact remains, he's being outhit by a couple rookies and a journeyman on his own team this year.

    Here's hoping he gets healthy and rebounds to the monster he's been over his career for 2011. My hearts wants to see it. My head doubts we will.
     
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    If Berkman isn't the best hitter on our team who is? Since CJ has been called back up, it has been him, but over the entire season it has been Berkman. That is more a slap in the face to the rest of our team rather than praise for Lance.
     
  18. msn

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    Well, he's 2nd in RBI but right there at the top all year, 2nd in HR, 5th in doubles, 3rd in OBP, and 4th in slugging (when you take out a couple pitchers) and 8th in BA (when you take out some pitchers).

    I "catch" a lot of games anymore only via yahoo gamecast, and so with every atbat his BA is right there. So that dismal BA, together with comparing him against his former Bagwellian self, has obviously tainted my impression.

    So you guys are right and I'm wrong.

    He's still the best on our team. Which means, our team really, really, really sucks.

    :(
     
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  19. BrooksBall

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    New guy Hernandez muffs a soft grounder that would've been a sure DP.

    Now, the bases are loaded with no outs for Notbudchuck.
     
  20. DontTradeOswalt

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    ****!!! He should be out of the inning
     

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