you're right. so - hey, that drayton mclane sure is a cheap racist, isn't he? let's gab about it................ we all have our passions, msn. when you can stand on the sidelines and "goof off" while those passions are being disparaged, maybe then you can drop this higher plane crap on me. until then... i care about the texans. i care about how they're being represented: by the media, by the fans... when i read or hear lazy perspectives, i get bothered by it. when i read local columnists baiting that lazy perspective, i get bothered by it. we can be emotional. we can also strive to raise the discourse.
Jeez, this thread sucks. Can we just have a separate one for people to trash/homer for the Texans? Let's just talk about the actual game this Sunday here. So...bengal. What's that, like a cat, right?
Confirmed...KEYE is screwing us Austin fans once again. They've decided that showing 2 teams from out of state is the game to show. The below .500 Chargers vs. the below .500 Saints is what they went with. Why couldn't Time Warner and KEYE have a contract dispute and pull it off the air? At least then I wouldn't be pissed.
Why the franchise end at the coach? or the GM? Is the owner not part of the franchise? Should Pittsburgh Pirates fans suddenly not be frustrated the day they hire a new coach because, hey, the last 20 years didn't happen? People are frustrated with the Texans as a whole - not a particular coach, player, GM, regime, etc. It wasn't worth the effort. You choose to use a one-year sample size when using the team of your choice - Kubiak is building from a 2-win team. I used the same time frame reference, and you ignored it. By the larger time frame reference, the Texans haven't really improved much at all in a 5 year period. By that standard, they won 1 more game last year than 4 years ago. Yes - the regime has done all this, and yet, the team isn't winning any more than they were 4 or 5 years ago. That doesn't seem like the greatest thing. People want to *win* - everything else is just a method of getting there. If the team isn't winning, the fans are going to be frustrated. You can look at the future all you want, but most fans are much more interested in actual results. If you have a bunch of all-stars and suck, that's no better than sucking with no talent at all. In many cases, that's even more frustrating. Coaching changes don't make people forget the past. When the Astros fired Dierker, it didn't make people just decide they weren't frustrated with the Astros never making a World Series. Tell that to the fans that watched the Indy game. That was very reminiscent of some of the older Texans games. And that's great for you. For other fans, they've spent years being told "the team is improving" - only to be told later "errr, that was all fake - the coach sucked and they weren't actually improving." People thought the Texans were on the verge of breaking through to the playoffs the year they went 2-14 or whatever too. Until people see the actual wins, they'll be skeptical. And they have a right to be. I agree. I think they have the potential to be better. But teams with lots of talent suck all the time. I can totally see why fans would be interested in seeing actual performance rather than potential.
that is very annoying...I noticed that last weekend. Luckily, I have league pass so it doesn't matter but I'm surprised this is happening now. It was understandable when it was Vince playing and they showed the Titans, but now? The Texans should be pissed and be lobbying that station to show them, this is a big market to be losing (I know people in houston don't care, except for the owner).
Fox has the double-header this week. Thus, KEYE can't show the Texans game at 3:00. If the game was at noon, they probably would be able to show it along-side the Cowboys game.
what?!! he's building from a team that won 18 games over a 4-year period that happened to bottom out in year 4 with 2 wins. i'm not choosing a one-year sample size. here, this is YOUR premise: (emphasis mine) none of those teams "sucked for several years," major. not a single one. you were wrong, wrong, wrong. and then, for good measure, wrong again. no wonder it wasn't worth the effort... they had one-year anomalies where they were either inexplicably bad or inexplicably good. and i showed that. definitively. the texans have no such anomalies. they were bad, bad, below average, and really bad in their first 4 years. now that's sucking for several years and a far cry from winning 8, 7, 9 and then 3 games, only to bounce back and win 10. and its disingenuous to try and hold the texans to that standard while discounting its context. the patterns i posted show that those teams were capable of 8+-win seasons prior to their fall/turnaround. the texans were never consistently capable of achieving that. here, check this out - tennessee: '05: 4 W '06: 8 W (+4) '07: 10 W (+2) now, tell me if the next pattern looks at all familiar. houston: '05: 2 W '06: 6 W (+4) '07: 8 W (+2) is it kubiak's fault he inherited with a 2-win team? has he not done as good a job as jeff fisher, while obviously working with a worse club? and no one has said they should. but when you strip your entire front office, coaching staff and 85% of your roster in three years... there has to be a disconnect at some point where the old regime becomes irrelevant and you move on from it. look, i'm divorced and have since remarried. i dislike my ex-wife but i don't dislike the institution of marriage and i certainly don't hold my current wife accountable for anything that happened in my past. know what i sayin'....? you mean the game our back-up QB blew in the final 4 minutes?... i'm not terribly worried about it. the colts routinely POUNDED the texans their first 5 years. to have a 17-point lead with 4 minutes remaining in the 4Q is progress, as far as i'm concerned....
Because all non-NFL cities are pretty much obligated to show the double-header game at 3pm (which is on Fox this week), and they're not allowed to put a competing game on another network at the same time. Thus, whenever the Texans play on the non-double header network at 3pm (which doesn't happen too often... but has the last couple of weeks), all other cities in Texas besides Houston won't be able to show the game. There wouldn't have been a problem if this was a noon start like most Texans home games. I guess since the schedule had to be changed for them to play this game, they decided to stick it at 3pm... also, this game has the least amount of interest amongst the country, thus putting it in a time slot where only Houston and Cincinnatti will care to see it. Also, if this was a double-header week for CBS... and the Texans still had a 3pm game... I'm guessing KEYE would have been able to choose whether they wanted the "national" game, or the Texans game. Actually, Houston NFL fans gets screwed in these 3pm starts as well... Fox couldn't show the Cowboys game last week because they were only allowed to show one game (and we missed out on the Indy-GB national game because the other network can't show a game at the same time as a Houston home game). Same thing happens this week when we'll get one noon game on Fox (likely the Cowboys), and only the Texans game at 3 on CBS (missing out on the national Pittsburgh vs. NYG game).
This is the end of this part of the discussion. If you can't discern the difference, or simply refuse to, I can't help you. I knew you'd pull that out; I should have preempted it. Subjective discussion about sports is wildly, vastly different from accusing a man of racism. We've discussed this before; you don't see them as very different. Fine. In my view (and in the view of many others, I would imagine), the evils of *real* racism are far less trivial than sports, and not something to throw stupid trivial accusations around about. I'll leave out the personal encounters with real racism, and just say that sports is a trivial issue and a fun diversion. As far as cheap, the facts bear out that he's not. But it doesn't irritate me nearly as much as some idiot accusing people of racism. I bring in the facts, but that is a water cooler discussion (along with the Lidge one you bring up later) that just doesn't bother me much. Sure, I jump all over it, call the opinions what they are (uninformed, illogical, etc.)--just like I would at the water cooler. Just like guys coast-to-coast do. "Higher plane crap"? Surely you jest. And why so defensive? I didn't intend any statement as an attack; just outlining the difference in perspectives. As fas as "higher plane crap," let me quote for you just two examples of the "higher plane crap" that has already been spewed in this thread alone, Ric: ..."heightened", "raise". "I dismiss the casual fan." You're walking that plane, and you're calling all of us up higher! How very noble of you. ...and you can hold journalists accountable for it. Telling other fans how to subjectively relate to the franchise, or to anything, is a losing battle, Ric. Keep walkin' that higher plane.
Because when the Cowboys play at 3pm, the vast majority of the time its because they are being featured in the national TV game, and most networks around the country (and all in Texas) will show them. The Oilers hardly ever played at 3pm unless they were on the west coast. The Texans also have hardly ever played at 3pm unless it was a west coast game... this is just an odd part of the schedule that they decided to do so (again, because of the last second change). Bottom line... the 3pm time slot is pretty inflexible for most cities. You pretty much know which game you're getting weeks in advance.
I wasn't aware that there was any hot air left in the universe after Jerry Jones sucked it all up this summer during his mugging for the cameras on "Hard Knocks"...
Well long snapper anyway. It's my understanding He tested positive not for steroids but for a weight loss drug sometimes used as a masking agent.
