yeah, i read it and heard it through the local media that you support religiously, and you guys must be looking at different stats than i am, because he's averaged under 6 innings/start 1 time in the past 10 years (2005).
What?? He hasn't gone deep into ball games in years. Just look at his games. No one called him (or should have called him) an inning eater. He's a 5-6 inning pitcher. What he IS, though, is very good at consistently getting 5 to 6 innings. Unlike a Wandy type that might get 3 and then 8.
Last year, 24 starts 144.1 innings as a starter, 1 out more than 6 innings per start. Previous year, 28 starts, 160.2 innings, less than 6 innings per start. So, the past 2 years he has averaged UNDER 6 innings per start. AGAIN, NO ONE of importance in the Astros orgainzation said Woody Williams would be an innings eater in 2007 or 2008.
Correction--just read MM's post more carefully. I wouldn't construe "follow religiously" as "support religiously", however. MM has been a pretty loud critic of our sorry-assed media in Houston (Berman's excellence notwithstanding).
One quote from the Astros is all it would take, rocketfat, to heap immense scorn and shame on our mealy little heads.
He won't find one Astros' management quote or one Houston media quote with respect to "Woody Williams" and "innings eater" (with respect to 2007 or 2008) unless he replaces "Woody Williams" with "Jason Jennings".
yeah, or 1 season of the past 10 under 6 innings per start. whichever is the more sensible way of looking at it. keep grasping at straws. the stros signed him as their 3rd starter for 6.5 million/season hoping to get a good 4, maybe 5 innings out of him. woody williams has been an innings eater throughout his career. sorry.
Actually, I am sure they signed him hoping to get MORE than 4 or 5 innings out of him. 5 or 6 innings does NOT constitute an "innings-eater". What straws are we grasping at?
6 innings a start is not an innings eater. And why would you look 10 years ago to see if a 41 year old pitcher would be an innings eater?
i don't support the media religiously. if you could find a link or something, that would be great. you're looking at a 41 year old pitcher...who 3 years ago pitched 189 innings...but hasn't approached that in the last 2 seasons...and you're assuming that he's gonna go back to pitching closer to 200 innings a game? despite the fact his numbers tracked down in innings pitched since then?? again...i think your expectation was unfounded.
a pitcher who averages over 6 innings/start isnt an innings eater???? give it up boys. your arguments are getting stranger and stranger.
innings eaters are thought of as pitchers pitching around 200 IP a season and over. let's assume 28 starts. even at 7 IP/game, you're still just under 200 IP. at 30 starts you're at 210 IP if you average 7 IP/game.
First of all, YOU are the one who claimed the local media touted him as an innings eater... and since you've been unable to produce a source, quote, or anything actually tangible to where he was claimed to be an innings eater, you've gone ahead and made YOUR OWN definition as to what an innings eater is. Awesome. Try this on for size... what was the last season where Woody threw over 200 innings in a season? To me THAT is the first thing I'd ever look at if I was qualifying somebody to be a guy who throws a lot of innings.... but that's just me. Of course, I'm not claiming to be an authority on baseball, or making up my own definitions or anything.
Most baseball executives and fans are smart enough not to use ten year trends on a 40+ year old player. They tend to use more recent stats. Williams averaged less than 6 innings per start over the last 3 years. I guess we should expect 20 steals from Biggio this year (after all he has right around 200 in the previous 10).
sorry again nicky. talk to your partner in crime bobrek. he created the definition, saying that woody was not an innings eater because he averaged less than 6 innings/start over the past 2 years. and, sorry, but i dont have local news broadcasts or 610 morning shows archived on my hard drive, so i guess i cant provide you guys a clip of local media touting woody as an innings eater! ya got me!!
Who gives 2 ****s what the local media says? They're morons. 1 quote from the Astros. The Chron & astros.com would be a good place to start. Give me a ping, Vasilli, one ping only, please.
Perhaps that's because you made it up. Sportings News: http://www.sportingnews.com/blog/Ark_Razor/tag/HoustonAstros The Methuselah pitching set strikes again. 12-5 last year with a 3.65 ERA. Only 145 innings, so not an inning eater like Glavine. However, his price is less than 2/3rd's of Glavine per year (it's a value piece, remember?!). I think the Stros can get 13 wins out of him for the next two years. A great signing by Houston if for no other reason that he won't beat them like a drum 3 times year now! That could mean one or two games in the standings. Last year, Houston missed the post season by what? Oh, a game and a half. Garner: http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070130&content_id=1790226&vkey=news_hou&fext=.jsp&c_id=hou 1. Who will anchor the back end of the rotation? Asked what his plan is for the fourth and fifth starters, Garner answered, "I have no plan." In other words, he'll head to Spring Training with an open mind. He admitted lefty Rodriguez probably has a "leg up" on the competition for the fourth starter job. Chris Sampson will receive strong consideration to be the No. 5, as will Brian Moehler, Dave Borkowski, Nieve and Matt Albers. Whoever pitches the best in Spring Training may not win a starting job. He may head to the bullpen as a long reliever, which Garner figures he'll need with only two innings-eaters on the staff, Oswalt and Jennings.
I was not using 6 innings as the basis for an innings eater. I will make it more clear: There is no way the Astros would expect Woody Williams to be an innings eater. Not only has he not averaged "innings eater" innings over the past 3 seasons, he hasn't even averaged 6 innings per start.
