1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

[Official] Astros @ Rays

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by Castor27, Apr 24, 2023.

  1. Wulaw Horn

    Wulaw Horn Member

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2018
    Messages:
    4,559
    Likes Received:
    4,697
    That would be funny. He’d still probably be less valuable than Altuve but it would at least be close.
     
  2. RunninRaven

    RunninRaven Contributing Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jun 16, 2000
    Messages:
    15,069
    Likes Received:
    2,753
    His range is almost certainly better than Altuve's, but how often is a better arm really going to come into play at 2B?
     
  3. Buck Turgidson

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2002
    Messages:
    87,443
    Likes Received:
    86,100
    Most every 5/6-4-3, most every ball hit to his right
     
    CheezeyBoy22, Bregatron, Nook and 3 others like this.
  4. sealclubber1016

    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Mar 31, 2010
    Messages:
    19,470
    Likes Received:
    28,772
    I mean, it's not as valuable as on the left side but you still have to make throws and turn DP's, a strong arm helps quite a bit if the ball arrives faster.
     
    Tomstro likes this.
  5. Tomstro

    Tomstro Member

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2016
    Messages:
    18,214
    Likes Received:
    15,086
    beautiful comeback. Still though, gfy
     
  6. rockbox

    rockbox Around before clutchcity.com

    Joined:
    Jul 28, 2000
    Messages:
    21,668
    Likes Received:
    10,588
    Turning a double play and Altuve is also prone to throwing errors which cost us in the playoffs.
     
    Tomstro likes this.
  7. Tomstro

    Tomstro Member

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2016
    Messages:
    18,214
    Likes Received:
    15,086
    Dubon is absolutely the better defensive player.

    Altuve will be our 2nd baseman.

    that’s it
     
  8. RunninRaven

    RunninRaven Contributing Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jun 16, 2000
    Messages:
    15,069
    Likes Received:
    2,753
    I guess my point is, the throws at 2B are much shorter than say SS or 3B, so the reduced time it would take for a throw to get to 1B is much less with a higher velocity throw. I'm gonna throw out some fake numbers to illustrate:

    Let's say Altuve can throw max 80 mph on average. Let's say Dubon is 15% faster than that, so 92 mph. I have no idea what either throws but those numbers wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility.

    Now let's say the average distance to 1B or 2B on fielded balls is 70 ft. The distance between bases is 90 ft so that number is probably high, but they wouldn't be right in the middle of the base path and the other fielder can stretch out a solid 5-6 ft so I think 70 ft is reasonable.

    A ball thrown 70 ft at 80 mph would take 0.6 seconds to arrive. A ball thrown 92 mph would take 0.52 seconds. If you ramp it up to a 100 ft throw, the difference becomes 0.11 seconds.

    So I guess what I'm asking is how often would that 0.08 seconds be the difference in an out or a single?
     
  9. RunninRaven

    RunninRaven Contributing Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jun 16, 2000
    Messages:
    15,069
    Likes Received:
    2,753
    Throwing errors don't really have anything to do with strength of the arm.
     
  10. IBTL

    IBTL Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Nov 22, 2010
    Messages:
    12,390
    Likes Received:
    12,556
    lmao.
     
    MadMax likes this.
  11. mvpcrossxover

    mvpcrossxover Member

    Joined:
    Aug 13, 2008
    Messages:
    24,415
    Likes Received:
    9,629
    dare i say Dubon is also a better base runner? lol
     
    toby and seemoreroyals like this.
  12. RunninRaven

    RunninRaven Contributing Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jun 16, 2000
    Messages:
    15,069
    Likes Received:
    2,753
    In case anyone was wondering, I did a little more research and it looks like Altuve has maxed out at 80 mph, but averages more like 75 mph. Dubon's average is more like 86 mph, so the difference in my hypothetical above is about right. Also, the average distance a 2nd baseman throws is 75-80 ft, so I was pretty close.
     
    Tomstro likes this.
  13. rockbox

    rockbox Around before clutchcity.com

    Joined:
    Jul 28, 2000
    Messages:
    21,668
    Likes Received:
    10,588
    No doubt, Altuve will be our second baseman until the wheels fall off and then he will be our DH.
     
  14. IdStrosfan

    IdStrosfan Member

    Joined:
    Nov 26, 2021
    Messages:
    5,793
    Likes Received:
    6,681
    Depending on how bad they fall off, and if the vehicle still needs to move ( it could just be useful parked like an RV) it may be the right thing to do.

    How many people were telling to resign Yuli and he is not nearly as accomplished as Altuve.
     
  15. rockbox

    rockbox Around before clutchcity.com

    Joined:
    Jul 28, 2000
    Messages:
    21,668
    Likes Received:
    10,588
    When I say a stronger arm, it also implies accuracy and from different body positions. I'm not just talking velocity. It's the ability to make a throw. Fielding is footwork, positioning, glove work, and throwing. Dubon is vastly better in all 4 areas. Is it enough to to displace an Astros legend who is top 10 in the league offensively? Hell no!!! But it does make you feel a little bit better when Altuve is out.
     
  16. tallanvor

    tallanvor Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Oct 9, 2007
    Messages:
    17,237
    Likes Received:
    9,085
    Its his bday

     
    desihooper likes this.
  17. rockbox

    rockbox Around before clutchcity.com

    Joined:
    Jul 28, 2000
    Messages:
    21,668
    Likes Received:
    10,588
    Yuli's wheels haven't fallen off. It just only runs well during the playoffs and odd number years for some reason
     
  18. Joe Joe

    Joe Joe Go Stros!
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    May 3, 1999
    Messages:
    24,178
    Likes Received:
    14,283
    I will say that I think Dubon has shown enough that he's probably good enough to back up 2B-3B without Hensley. Have Diaz (or Julks if he survives Chas and Brantley call ups) backup 1B.
     
    Wulaw Horn and rockbox like this.
  19. SuraGotMadHops

    Joined:
    Nov 10, 2009
    Messages:
    5,669
    Likes Received:
    6,141
    Julks has never played 1B even one time in his professional career. Positions matter, that's why there will be dilemma when Brantley and Chas return, because LF is Julks' most suitable OF position. He has played some 3rd, 2nd, and SS in the minors.

    The way Meyers is going, Chas and Jake can platoon CF, Brantley and Yordan will toggle LF/DH...Chas can also tackle LF. Really not certain where Julks fits the puzzle if/when all of the outfielders are at full strength.
     
  20. IdStrosfan

    IdStrosfan Member

    Joined:
    Nov 26, 2021
    Messages:
    5,793
    Likes Received:
    6,681
    I agree with this.

    As good as Julks has been, there simply isn't a spot for him.

    My understanding is that he simply isn't good enough to be considered for 2B, 3B, or SS at the MLB level. Similar to Taylor Jones and 3B the last couple of years.

    With only 13 position players and a 4 player bench no team can keep 6 players who are OF only, especially if 3 of them are mostly limited to the same single OF position.

    At least not a team expecting to win.
     
    The Beard likes this.

Share This Page

  • About ClutchFans

    Since 1996, ClutchFans has been loud and proud covering the Houston Rockets, helping set an industry standard for team fan sites. The forums have been a home for Houston sports fans as well as basketball fanatics around the globe.

  • Support ClutchFans!

    If you find that ClutchFans is a valuable resource for you, please consider becoming a Supporting Member. Supporting Members can upload photos and attachments directly to their posts, customize their user title and more. Gold Supporters see zero ads!


    Upgrade Now