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[Official] Astros @ Pirates

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by Castor27, Jul 16, 2010.

  1. BrooksBall

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    Buster Posey is just hitting out of his mind over the past few weeks.

    2-for-2 tonight with another HR.
     
  2. BrooksBall

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    I think that's 6 doubles for the Pirates now. 9 total in the game.
     
  3. Bojangles

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    At least we didn't allow 10 runs or more to cross the plate tonight. LOLZ.
     
  4. cardpire

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    oh well, so much for roy getting the win record before the deadline. i guess uncle d aint tradin him!
     
  5. juicystream

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    He will still has 2 more starts before the deadline.
     
  6. cardpire

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    he ain't winning both.
     
  7. J.R.

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    Roy O. got hurt! Oh no! :eek:

    /sarcasm

    Oh well. Still dont think he's getting moved.
     
  8. DontTradeOswalt

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    He threw a one hitter against the pirates last start, it evens out, but do the pirates think their good now? I hope they lose 12 straight...again
     
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    I fell asleep after Roy left the game. I just looked at the box score. Good God, Daigle sucks balls. Mr. Jennie Finch gave up 6 ER in 1 1/3 inning between today and yesterday. At least they sent him back down. They brought Majewski back up in his place.
     
  11. BrooksBall

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    Make that 4 bad plays over the last few games. He's been a wreck in RF recently.

    Maholm gets plenty of credit but our offense looked as bad as it has all season today, Berkman or no Berkman. He threw 10 pitches or less in the first 5 innings and barely over that in the 6th. When you suck, you suck. Bagwell nor anybody else can fix this trainwreck.
     
  12. Refman

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    Of course this ignores the fact that Uncle D probably is not getting any good offers in return for a 32 year old, oft injured pitcher with a significant contract.

    If the Astros are not going to get value in return (in the form of prospects projected to be good future players), then it makes no sense at all to trade him.

    Would you really want to trade Oswalt just to say that we did?
     
  13. Castor27

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    I'm not directing this specifically at CardPire. However, with some of the naysayers there is no win. If we don't trade him they will be mad that we kept him and didn't get anything for him. But if we trade him for next to nothing they will be the same people mad that we didn't get top prospects and all star caliber players in return. I know that everywhere with homerism people over value their own players. But in my knowledge of other teams fans I have never seen it as bad as in Houston (And I put myself in that group and probably Drayton resides there too). It is easy to play Armchair GM and say we should trade Roy O for Albert Pujols and 2 top tier prospects but the reality is with his contract and history he isn't going to warrant an offer more than a couple of mid tier prospects. IMO I think you are right in that we probably won't trade him, not because we are so infatuated with him but because his value to the team is higher if he stays rather than if we send him off for a bucket of balls and some big league chew.
     
  14. cardpire

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    didn't he say that they are willing to absorb a significant portion of his contract? he's now (with Lee gone) going to be the best available arm (bar none) at the trading deadline. if he is truly willing to trade him, and truly willing to absorb contract, the best pitcher available at the deadline ALWAYS will attract a decent package at minimum.

    to say drayton is "probably isn't getting any good offers" is a silly, baseless assumption, and giving drayton way more credit than he deserves. would i trade roy for nothing just for the sake of trading him? of course not. my (and others) concern is that drayton never had any real intention whatsoever of trading him in the first place.
     
  15. Ottomaton

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    I think what he actually said, and how it was perceived aren't necessarily the same thing. I think he said something in response to a very direct question about whether they'd eat salary with a very vague statement about being willing to absorb some of the salary in the right deal. And I've read a coupe of reports since on MLBTR that indicate they are wanting a serious premium of talent to eat anything at all.

    I don't think they are nearly so keen to eat money as most of the fans hope.

    Just looking at the way the Halladay thing went down last year, I'm thinking that Roy won't get traded until this summer or next year's trade deadline.
     
  16. Refman

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    If we received a package offered similar to what the Mariners got for Cliff Lee, then I think Drayton would trade Oswalt and eat some of the salary. I have heard NOTHING that indicates that we are getting offered anything close to that.

    And no, he did not say anything about absorbing a "significant" part of the salary. He made a vague statement about eating some of the salary.

    Many people believe that Roy is the best arm available. While that may be true, the fact that he is injury prone (and got hurt again today) is a large disincentive to part with good prospects to acquire him.
     
  17. Major

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    Oswalt has pitched 200+ innings and 32+ starts in 5 of the last 6 years (30 starts in the other year). There aren't very many pitchers who have pitched as many innings over that time frame as Oswalt. He hasn't had a significant injury since 2003.

    I don't think health factors into Oswalt's tradability. It will primarily be contract and whether people think this is a sort of flukey season (given that his peripherals have trended down until this year) or if they believe he can do this for another year.
     
  18. Bojangles

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    I'd say Oswalt's traceability just declined a bit. Aside from Uncle Cheapie's unwillingness to eat some of the contract.
     
  19. BrooksBall

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