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  1. Rocket River

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    With all the talk about Carr being on his backside most of the time

    Maybe we should start comparing Mario to D'Brickashaw
    Would Ferguson be making more of an impact than Mario
    [Trade down to three and picked up a second round pick . . could have
    gotten Lendal White with that second 2nd round pick . . blah blah blah]

    Rocket River
     
  2. Jared Novak

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    The "All our eggs in one basket" player is Jason Babin.

    Remember that this guy was supposed to be the next Kevin Greene. The Texans traded their 2nd, 3rd, 4th and swapped 5th round picks with a division rival (Titans) to draft this guy at the 27th spot of the first round. What has he done? Nothing.

    So before everyone jumps on the Mario "The Bust" Williams train, remember that he has had two games against playoff teams. I'll give him an entire season before I write him off as a bust.
     
  3. Furious Jam

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    Can we rename this thread "Everything Mario Williams's Fault"? :)
     
  4. MiniMing

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    6 carries and 5 yards, I'm sure that won't be his every week stat line..

    and also considering he isn't the number 1 RB yet..

    and he does also catch alot of balls and does returns..

    Would be nice to have a player you can just plug in everywhere..

    Should of drafted Reggie..
     
  5. gucci888

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    Bush lines up at RB or WR...how is that everywhere? Mario has also lined up at DE and DT, seems about the same number of positions to me. :cool:
     
  6. Possum

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    And you absolutely know this? I dont know who is being stupider, you or me for replying to you. Mario Williams is no more a bust right now than Bush is.

    Considering we already spent 2 top 3 picks on the offense, we had the worst defense in the NFL, we run a scheme thats easy to plug a RB in and Bush has shown nothing so far, we did the smart thing....
     
  7. jgreen91

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    Bush also returns punts and kicks. Even tho he only had 6 carries for 5 yards, he still had close to 100 total yards in receiving and returns.

    Plus they have Deuce and he is their #1 RB right now, so Bush won't be seeing all that many carries this year as long as Deuce is healthy. I like the way they are utilizing him so far. He has great great hands for a RB.
     
  8. The Real Shady

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    As bad as Bush's second game was rushing the ball he is still on pace to get 576 yards rushing and 960 yards receiving for over 1500 yards combined. The most yards rushing Dante Hall has ever had in a single season was 73 and in his highest receiving year he had 436. So your comparison makes perfect sense.
     
  9. weslinder

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    Which part do you disagree with? Dwayne Slay was the Big 12 DPOY, over Michael Huff, and he was the most important defensive player in every college game that he was in. He was a game-changer in college. He's one of those guys whose workout numbers never wowed anyone, but he has produced at every level so far. While Michael Huff was great, his Jim Thorpe award was as much for his pro potential as his college career.

    The Texans secondary is awful. C.C. Brown isn't good enough to play, much less start. They have to try something else. I can promise you that Earl at FS and Slay at SS would be much better than what they have on the field now.
     
  10. hatemavs4life

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    I was referring to instead of taking a RB in the first round, we draft for need which obviously was DL. If we would have taken VY or Bush like some people said we should, then we would potentially still have a train wreck of a DL that could not even "amuse" the oppositions OL much less mount a pass rush. So, our D would still be a joke.

    If we already had a RB, why do we pine all our hopes on Bush. Some were calling him some savior potentially. After the National championship euphoria died down, I started thinking both scenarios especially the VY one out more objectively.

    Take VY, most QBs take at least 3-4 years to become dangerous, RBs can become a star overnight if they are utilized properly. DL and LB can spearhead a defense and turn around a team the quickest. Remember, defense wins championships.

    The "one basket thing" was a reference that we MUST get this guy because he's a "once in a lifetime" player. How many times have we ever heard that line? My take is only typically loser organizations jump at those type of picks. The truth of the matter is, drafting is still an educated crap shoot. VY could become Joe Montana with speed or he could become Akili Smith or Kordell Stewart. Reggie Bush could become Barry Sanders, he also could become Gayle Sayers (explosive but short career) no one really knows.

    Clarett was supposedly gonna be all that and then oh well, nevermind bad decisions, bad decisions.

    I'm not attacking Bush's character because I believe he's a standup guy but, "cant miss" opportunity buzz words for players should remind us that nothing in the NFL or in life for that matter is a "cant miss."

    Yes, I saw his USC games but the NFL game is much faster. The only way to glory has been, is and will evermore be through hard work and continued development of skills.

    Example, how bad does Mario want to be great? Does he have the desire, the hunger or will he ultimately just settle with being average, nothing spectacular? Does he have the fortitude to prepare himself to be consistent in his play as well as elevate the other players on defense directly or indirectly every game? A la Lawrence Taylor, Derrick Thomas, Bruce Smith? Only Mario ultimately knows that answer. Soon one way or the other, we also will eventually know that answer.

    The Texans drafted for need and not glitz and as a fan I have to respect that decision even if I disagree with it. They're thinking is logical let's just hope their player assessment on Mario hits the mark.

    Hope this clears up any ambiguities in my previous post.
     
  11. hatemavs4life

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    Actually that is arguably a good point. The old Oilers were built with 1st round studs. Matthews, Munchak and Steinkuhler.

    According to most, Ferguson was definitely worth the gamble.

    I agree though with pretty much everyone here about Mario, we need to start seeing some results soon. Constant pressure on the QB would be an upgrade to start and then, the obvious sacks, fumbles and ultimately, wreaking total havoc in the oppositions backfield or else ... dont want to think about the alternative result.
     
  12. SamFisher

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    ..too slow to play at the NFL level. Perhaps he made do with less than Huff, other than, a one hit wonder.
     
  13. gucci888

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    Just because Slay was the most important defensive player for Tech doesn't make him better, the Tech defense is downright terrible so being the best player doesn't say a whole lot.

    Huff:
    Thorpe Award= Best DB in the NCAA
    2005 Consensus First-Team All American
    2004 & 2005 First-Team All Big 12
    UT Record for Most Interceptions for TDs (1 shy of NCAA record)
    Rose Bowl MVP
    7th Pick in 2006 Draft
    * Main reason why UT was a Top 5 defense

    Slay:
    SI.com First-Team All American
    Big 12 DPOY
    2005 First-Team All Big 12
    Big 12 Record for FF
    Undrafted in 2006 Draft

    Not sure why you think the Thorpe Award was given to Huff because of his pro potential. The point is that Huff was the highest rated DB in the Nation and was the first DB taken in the draft, I don't see how someone else (especially one that went undrafted) outplayed him.
     
  14. JamesC

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    Not to nitpick but Vince was the Rose Bowl MVP.
     
  15. gucci888

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    Whoops...I meant defensive MVP.
     
  16. Rocket River

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    Think if we had taken him . . and winston
    Bookends for the next 10 yrs?

    Rocket River
     
  17. Plowman

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    His injury notwithstanding.....We got our 10 year starter in the 3rd round when we picked Spencer.
     
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    Huff is obviouslythe better player but I wouldn't be against giving Slay a chance. Let's face it, we aren't getting a Hichael Huff so taking a chance on a guy like Slay wouldn't hurt. I watched him wreak havoc everytime I watched him play. He can't be any worse then Brown and Earl. I'm more of a guy who respecs performance on the field. Slay did that. He had a bad combine and didn't get drafted. A certain someone has a great combine and goes number 1. Hmmmmmm.....
     
  19. Possum

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    Youre not asking for much are you. :rolleyes: Most DL that arent speed rushers take anywhere from 2 to 3 years before you really see what they are capable of on a consistent basis.

    In fact please name 1 player that is not a speed guy that gets constant pressure on the QB and wreaks total havoc in the oppositions backfield. :confused:
     
  20. Possum

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    MW was the top rated defensive player before the combine. Saying we drafted MW just because of his combine numbers is a load of crap made up by the Young, Bush lovers who are whining because we didnt draft who they wanted.
     

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