I think if you have a in the box safety like Roy, you really need that center fielder like Watkins. He was taken advantage of against philly by formation, but i think once he keeps watching film and studies the game, he's going to be a very good player for many yrs. His height alone makes it a very difficult throw over the top. The one to reggie brown was just perfect, but if that what it takes, so be it.
ESPN is totaly getting outta hand i just caught the tail end of sportscenter, and they were declaring deifferent events as national mulligan day, for things that should have been done differently given a second chance, and they had the Texans picking Mario over Bush as one of the events . The have got to be kidding me, what has this guy done to be so spectacular? I know Mario isn't helping so much in his defense but cmon the next Gale Sayrs hasn't even scored a ruching touchdown, ESPN does anything to hype up their own mistakes so they won't look bad, its terrible.
In hindsight, Maroney would've been a steal for us. Stewy Scott would be booyahing his ass off except for the fact he was in H-Town and not Beantown. Second thought, they probably would have found a way to exxnaay the pick if we would have gone that way too. Oh well, so many holes so few picks to choose from every year to start to plug them with.
Frankly the Bush knbberslobbering is nauseating me. Bush gets 65 total yds FOR THE GAME and people like jgreen91 think he's an impact player? C'mon ... Again same song different verse. The reason for the Saints ascent to the upper echelon of the NFL is simple, a healthy Deuce plus Brees who has really improved his game over the last 2-3 years as well as a vastly improved defense and better coaching. The Saints also are prone to late season swoons, so we'll see how good they really are then. Prediction: 10-6 maybe 11-5 no better that means wildcard. Until Bush does anything Barry Sanders-esque please stop the freakin comparisons because IMHO Sanders WAS and IS the best running back in any era period. Only challenged by Jim Brown and Gayle Sayers with this honor. Sayers had a career cut short and Brown much easier to dominate when there are only 12 to 16 teams instead of 30 for Barry and 32 now. Say what you want, spin it however you want but Reggie isnt a superstar yet, not even close.
I don't normally say these sort of things for fear they will come back and bite me in the ass. But Reggie is too fast, and gets the ball too often to not end the season with 10+ touchdowns... It's a matter of time. Drew Brees has been fantastic and deserves a spot in the Pro-Bowl if it were selected today and Deuce is having a field day with the holes he's getting... Thanks to BOTH Reggie and Drew (Horn, Colston, the O-line) He doesn't deserve the hype he's gotten so far, but if you hate the Reggie hype now... just wait...
Last week you said the saints wouldn't finish above .500 Bush is only getting better, his numbers are going to improve, he will get more TDs, then what will you guys say? I'm sure you will come up with something.
Bush has time to get better, but his weekly numbers actually aren't getting better. He is a rookie and hasd time to improve so we should all cut him some slack like we want folks to do for Mario. However, based on what we have seen there is no reason in hell to compare him to any great RB in league history. He has had average RB production, if that. Please spare me the "total yards" argument because prior to supporters having to inflate his numbers to boost his contribution, we rarely heard the total yards argument used for any other player (using return yards as consideration). Every other player prior to Bush was judged by yards from scrimmage. Even this season, we still don't see that stat used for other players in the league. Steve Smith returns kicks and I have yet to see anyone run a total yardage stat for him. Have you seen that stat-line for Jones-Drew? Same for Dante Hall in all of his years. Eric Metcalf as well. Mike Vick can run for 100 yards on the reg (and sniff the end-zone too) but half the world thinks he is suck ass as a QB because he can't complete passes. Sometimes I think ESPN is run by the Republican Party...they are so good at spinning stuff.....
I dont know where youve been but the "total yardage" has been used for a few years. It does not only come up with Reggie Bush
I have been watching football and it's coverage for years, and I have never seen ESPN say "Steve Smith....223 total yards today (including the return yardage)". The only way something like that would ever get mentioned is if he took one to the house. Please tell me when you have seen ESPN, or any other media outlet (non FF related) run a "total yardage" stat for any other player but Bush this year? Granted you don't have a lot of people that fit the "do it all" category, but AI have yet to see that stat used for the 3 off the top of my head (Hall, Jones-Drew, S.Smith). I'll use another rookie (Jones-Drew) as a comparison. He has 10 kickoff returns for 253 yards. However, he really started getting rushing/passing action in Game 3. Was there any mention of his return yardage in his "total yards"? Nope.... http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/recap/NFL_20060924_JAC@IND Same for Game 4. http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/recap/NFL_20061001_JAC@WAS And Game 5. http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/recap/NFL_20061008_NYJ@JAC I'm pretty sure every article referencing Bush uses his total yardage, including returns. Again, they don't do that for anyone else. I would love to see an example if you can find one (again, where the player didn't score a TD off a return).
Just curious, do you also watch the NFL network? They talk more about Reggie Bush than ESPN does. The ESPN hype standpoint, was brought up by one poster pre draft and everyone ran with it. It sounds good, but come on, ESPN doesn't give a crap about who does what, they just show highlights and run specials based on things fans want to see. You guys act like Reggie Bush and Matt Leinart are employed by ESPN. Come on.
I agree with that somewhat. However, I also think no one wants to admit that they were wrong about their reactions to him not being #1 since they hyped him so much. As a Rockets fan, I'm assuming you are quite aware of how Yao was (and still is) treated so this shouldn't come a a shock to you.
Ok, I dont recall saying that the Saints would not finish above .500, I remember saying they are in a tough division and with the other three I felt they (ATL, CAR and TB) have tougher defenses and would make life very difficult for the Saints. However, that win over Philly was definitely a quality win. The Saints definitely are no pushovers anymore. Their team is possibly the best they have ever had. For the record, I never said Bush WAS or IS going to be a bust, it's simply IMO that for Bush to go into Barry's playground he's got some big shoes to fill. Barry was downright freaky scary, completely unpredictable and yet completely under control all at the same time. Name any other RB that could spin 180 one way and then without breaking stride spin 180 the other way and still never miss a beat. That dude was unfreakin-believable! Bush has the tools the question remains how will he turn out because at this moment no offense, he's Eric Metcalf bottom line enough said. Carolina for the Saints are their only REAL competition this year, ATL keeps stubbing their toe every other week despite a freakish running game and TB is stuck in perpetual reverse due to key injuries.
The only player that I hear total yardage associated with is Brian Mitchell. I think he leads NFL history in that figure, but will never even sniff the Hall of Fame. Why? Because noone thinks special teams return yardage is anywhere near indicative of a player's impact than offensive yards. In special teams you get most yards running up the field before you even have to make a guy miss or break a tackle--less than average guys accumulate lots of yards just by being in that position. If someone wants to compare Reggie Bush's upside to Brian Mitchell, go ahead. That is fairer than comparing him to HOF tailbacks. Certainly the NFL ("Bush Project") and ESPN are in bed with him/his promotion team. Merchandise sales, media hype, community relations, all part of making money. It is like the Lebron hype before he did squat, but luckily (for the NBA/ESPN) Lebron matched his hype. Won't always happen and Bush has not lived up to the attention he has received over his fellow rookies.
Let's try to stay on topic here (ignore the Bush trolls). So, Mario looked decent out there yesterday, eh? I see definite improvement. Discuss.
i went to the cowboys game; williams is indeed a physical beast. even my girlfriend noticed. and he's REALLY active. that may not translate right now into quantifiable stats, but it will; he moves VERY well. i think over the final 8 games, he's going to quiet a lot of critics.
Unfortunately, what the haters are going to ask for is statistics from the #1 pick... if you're a true fan, you don't care about the stats.
I wouldnt call it a good game. He wasnt bad but I dont think he played well. He recovered a fumble and thats about it.
