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[Official] Astros @ Phillies

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by Castor27, Sep 4, 2006.

  1. Desert Scar

    Desert Scar Member

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    If it is to the exclusion of better songs and does a disservice to historical greats to be mentioned in the same context, than it does become more irritating, yes. Mix in extra arrogance and little humility in the artist, even more so.
     
  2. hatemavs4life

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    Exactly. If you all REALLY want to keep accurate score.

    Mario got a sack before Reggie got a TD. VY got a TD pass late against the Bolts that meant absolutely nothing. Mario's 1.5 sacks led to a 3 and out and actually (scary thought) helped contribute to a Texan win.

    So, that means in the sweepstakes to making game changing plays first, Mario wins!

    No doubt much to the chagrin of some on here. :p

    For the record, it's not hating when you are pointing on out statistical facts to make your case, jgreen91. I dont hate Reggie. I hope he does well. He represents the NFL well, but the comparisons of he to Sayers and Sanders are not even close at this juncture.

    Remember, if Sanders would not have retired after only 10 years, he would have abused the all time rushing leader in yards. He would have set the bar so high say (20,000+) that no one would have ever come close to it again.

    At this point, Reggie has done nothing to impress me like Sanders. That doesnt mean he's a bust, it just means that his numbers are very ordinary compared to what I remotely expected him to do coming in.

    His punt return TD while very good was anything but spectacular. He read his blocks well and juked one to get into open field. I am only saying this because, everyone is belittling Mario's first sack. Is it his fault Culpepper ducked his head down and went self-preservation. Be honest, Mario would have knocked his freakin block off if Daunte would not have ducked and covered.

    On the other hand, if Mario would have fanned on the sack. Boy, if that would've happened the hate mail on here would have gone through the roof. :rolleyes: Daunte potentially could have either ran for a first down or there was an open receiver cutting across the middle he could have thrown to, but that would require you all to give Mario an ounce of credit and frankly at this moment in time, hell will freeze over before that happens. :rolleyes:

    All I am saying is be consistent in your analysis. Mario does bad, call him out but, if he does something accidentally good if you are being objective mention the good also. Otherwise, no one will take your analyses seriously. Least of all me.
     
  3. jgreen91

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    I didn't get to watch the game, but I was pumped when I saw the highlights. Even though the Dolphins are awful. The Texans are my team, but i'll defend Bush till i'm blue in the face for those who call him Dante Hall and dismiss his achievements thus far. Go Texans!

    I was also impressed how VY controlled the game and almost beat the Colts, his numbers weren't great, but the numbers don't tell the whole story.
     
  4. ac in austin

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    Why does it always ring hollow when jgreen claims to be a Texan fan?
     
  5. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    now the guys on espn are saying everyone else is doing well in new orleans because bush is opening things up. who's the football guy that sometimes co-hosts the mike and mike show. played in the league. he said that on mike and mike's show this morning. they just won't quit.
     
  6. robbie380

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    yeah i hate that argument. he really opens things up by being a dump off receiver and punt returner. but he is fast as hell.
     
  7. Desert Scar

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    Why don't they just come out and say having Drew Brees there instead of Arron Brooks has made everyone else in the offense better. Much closer to the truth.

    The biggest changes have been Payton for Haslett and Brees for Brooks. Which is more important, yard to say. Colston and Bush have been good rooks though, they are part of the improvement, but lets no get carried away that they are most central.
     
  8. MadMax

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    not enough when you're compared with gayle sayers.

    the same way it won't be enough if mario doesn't have sacks but opens up other opportunities for others.

    the great players open up those opportunities for others AND STILL put up numbers.
     
  9. The Cat

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    The hardest thing for anyone to do is admit they were wrong. It's excuse after excuse... Reggie's had the media in his corner for years. He probably will the rest of his career, because he's fun to watch and he's also a decent guy who gives the media good quotes and interviews.

    Unfortunately for him, not everyone is as shallow and easily manipulated as Sean Salisbury (USC) and Mike Golic.
     
  10. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    people forget that it used to be a pretty good offense even with brooks as the quarterback. deuce certainly doesn't need reggie, he just needs to stay healthy.
     
  11. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    just to show you how much b.s. it is, bush wasn't on the field for deuce's first td, which I believe was over ten yards. I'm watching the nfl replay right now.
     
  12. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    the other thing I will say about bush is this, he seems to have the same problem people said vince would have running the ball, he will not out run the linebackers. bush, is not out running the linebackers, and he doesn't look to have the strength of an every-down back to break tackles. he's what we see in nba circles, a tweener. he's really not fast as the true break away receivers and he's not as strong, at least it seems right now, as a running back needs to be to get into the secondary.

    bush operates best in space, he just can't get into space seemingly right now. as most people pointed out, he really didn't have to do that much work on the punt return. he beat one man.
     
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  13. MadMax

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    this was rhester's argument against bush all along. give the guy space and he's a monster. problem is, no one gets space in the NFL.
     
  14. The Cat

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    You'd think if Bush was the world's best decoy (which ESPN hypes him up as) that a coach as gifted and respected as Pete Carroll might put him on the field for the biggest play of his career.

    At least that's my hunch.
     
  15. Mr. Clutch

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    You guys are right. Bush sucks.
     
  16. MadMax

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    im not saying he sucks. i'm saying he MIGHT not be the back he was touted to be.
     
  17. Mr. Clutch

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    He MIGHT not be. I agree with that. It's too early to tell.
     
  18. macalu

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    i love the "decoy" argument, as if defenses are double teaming him before the ball is even snapped. the guy is good, but so far he's not that good.
     
  19. Mr. Clutch

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    But it seems like he is serving as an effective decoy. Considering he gets a lot of touches (something people said he wouldn't be able to do) then why can't he be a decoy?
     
  20. MadMax

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    but it's funny to watch the pundits at ESPN who told us he would be deal with the fact that he isn't having near the impact they thought he would...that they told us he would...so early on.
     

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