In the last 20 years, how many times have you seen a coach fired less than 3 months into their first season? Something tells me the answer is something close to never - and there have been plenty of bad managers out there.
Bingo. Not to mention the fact that firing managers in rapid fire succession will not make this job more attractive to managerial candidates.
It is not Cooper's fault that Roy is seriously struggling and the rest of the starters are below average.... DD
FAIL. what's with this board and people having to take such a know-it-all tone in response to harmless opinions? and thanks for teeing it up for me kiddo! john mcclaren was fired early today in his first season as mariners' manager. so the answer is at least 1. i tell ya, there ain't nothing like the combo of being a smart-ass and ignorant. thanks again for playing, and you can pick up your trolling gifts on the way out.
Not blaming Cooper for Roy's sudden descent into mediocrity of Towles struggles and subsequent demotion...but you have to wonder why a team like, say St. Louis, that had just as many question marks as us, is currently 10 games above .500. Could it be a lot of their players are playing above par and will ultimately fall back toward average...certainly But you could also argue that the coaching staff is squeezing the most out of their players. So sure, it's not Coop's or Robinson's fault that the starters are average, at best (and currently pretty horrible), or that Roy is having a major down year so far. Likewise it's not Berry's fault some of our younger guys haven't quite lived up to expectation yet (Towles, Bourne though he's done better recently). But questions do start to arise about the performance of the coaching staff when you see that just about all of our starters are having sub-par years, that the team ERA is third from the bottom in the NL, that they've given up more home runs than ANY other team in both the NL and AL, that our lineup ranks next to last in all of baseball in walks and (while their strikeout percentage is pretty decent) near the bottom in OBP. Why are they having trouble keeping the ball in the park? Why aren't the starters pitching even to their career averages at least? Why isn't this team taking a more disciplined, patient approach at the plate? These are questions I would expect a competent coaching staff to find answers to.
Yeah but Hargrove (McLaren's predecessor) walked out on the team a year ago; he wasn't fired like Garner from the Astros. To fire Coop now, however justified it may seem, would send a bad message to the rest of the league because it comes so close on the heels of Garner's dismissal. What manager would come to work for the organization if they feel the team has an itchy trigger finger?
doesn't matter. it's the exact same situation. they lifted the interim tag and thought enough of him to make him their manager this season. i see what you're saying in that you don't want to continuously fire managers left and right (which i don't think should really matter in this case), but that's a seperate issue altogether.
It's not the same situation because the Rangers didn't fire Hargrove; plus the Mariners are the worst team in baseball right now, 22 games under .500. The Astros aren't even last in the division (maybe tomorrow though) and are still within reach of .500. That's not justification to keep Cooper, but it's not a reason to dismiss him yet either. It is though, justification for him to be in the hot seat...especially if the clubhouse is turning on him. Hell it took 1 1/2 seasons for Jimy Williams to be dismissed...so I doubt Cooper goes before even the halfway point.
the same as far as the major's smart-ass comments go. don't really feel like arguing everything else you're talking about. was just responding to the condescending smart-ass's claim.
Is it any more classless than Lidge getting booed here in Houston? All Lidge did was struggle on the field - Tejada lied to the Orioles about his age and is one of the bigger-name players involved in the PED scandal.
Also, in line with the coaching decision, I noticed this snippet on Roy O. at Yahoo Sports. Astros Team Report
with the amount of young talent their franchise is flooded with in the majors and minors, IF we were to trade roy, that would be the obvious destination for him imho. out of the NL, a place he'd probably welcome going to, and in exchange for some great young talent. and being that they are in contention, i'm sure they would covet roy and be willing to pay a handsome sum for him this season.
Is 1 time in 20 years not "something close to never"? You have one instance by a team sucks year-in and year-out despite a fairly high payroll. Now, is that the model you want to follow?
I bet you cooper gets fired at the end of the season... Its not that hes bad, I just think Drayton has no patience
