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[Official] Astros Offseason Thread

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by Castor27, Oct 5, 2006.

  1. leroy

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    Yeah, but so was Biggio, IIRC. What does that tell you about that stat?
     
  2. Nick

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    It tells you that when you have a guy without a plus arm out there, people are going to run on him... and eventually, the ball will be hit hard enough to where some slow-footed first baseman trying to steal an extra base on Soriano gets thrown out at 3rd.
     
  3. NJRocket

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    I agree....but I also think that if either was a FA this year, they would be targeting 18-20 million...and wouldnt necessarily be such bargains.


    he IS from Dom Rep u know...
     
  4. NJRocket

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    well, it also tells you that perhaps MMP is condusive to a LF throwing a lot of guys out since its such a short porch....Sori did it in a fairly big park.. (not trying to take away from what Bidge did...or pump up Sori....just was pointing out that he CAN play defense as well.)
     
  5. leroy

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    In Biggio's case, it was probably a combination of MMP and what Nick said...more try to take advantage and eventually he's going to get someone.

    I think the same happened to Soriano this season. A lot thought they could take advantage and he managed to throw some of them out. However, the more he learns the position, the better he's going to get. With his speed, I wouldn't think a ball has a chance to land anywhere on the left side of the OF with him and Willy T out there.
     
  6. Nick

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    You guys do remember that we could have had Soriano (when he was still a kid in the minor leagues for the Yankees, and played CF) for Moises Alou in 2000. Alou had a no-trade clause, and refused to waive it.

    Damn him!
     
  7. Creepy Crawl

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    Yes I am reminded of that everytime I see him on a SportsCenter highlight hitting one out . Damn you pee man ! :mad:
     
  8. Buck Turgidson

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    NJ: Soriano's spot in the order on the Stros is a bit tricky. You bat him leadoff, you waste a bunch of his power/rbi potential. You bat him in front of Lance, it cuts into his running game (and whenever he's on 2nd via double or steal, Lance gets pitched around). Personally, I'd bat him cleanup, same as Carlos Lee.

    Also, Biggio led the league in OF assists in '03, when he played CF fulltime, not left.

    Nick: Soriano came up with the yanks as an infielder (SS). Hun wanted to try him in center on the Stros.
     
  9. leebigez

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    What about A-Rod? Rangers are still paying most of his salary and the Stros have prospects.
     
  10. msn

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    Heh. You have only to back up a few pages to see much discussion on A-Rod. My feeling--if the Yanks will give him without demanding the entire farm then lets make a deal!
     
  11. NJRocket

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    agreed...i think Garner would need to experiment with leading off and cleanup. In a perfect world, Huff, Ensberg or Luke could afford berkman enuf protection in the cleanup hole that you could think about batting him 2nd....this way if Berkman is walked maybe we get enuf production out of those guys to dissuade pitchers form doing so. Guess its a pipe dream for now anyway.
     
  12. Joshfast

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    If we get Soriano, imo he should bat second. If we get Lee, he should bat fourth behind the Puma.

    Soriano batting second with Puma batting third - Soriano gets protection, will see alot of fastballs. If they walk him, he can steal and instantly get into scoring position with Puma at bat. Lee is more of a traditional slugger - protection for Berkman, good BA and RBI numbers.
     
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    The only problem wiht that is that the end of our lineup will be possibly the worst in baseball.

    6) Biggio
    7) Everett
    8) Ausmus
    9) Pitcher

    I think you have bat him in either the 3 or 4 spot
     
  14. Oski2005

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    This is why it's extremely important to sign a catcher this offseason. Unfortunately, the pickings are slim, as usual. I really think that it won't be that big a problem with Biggio since he seems to start off ok and once he gets to 3000, he'll be playing less and maybe not starting at all on the road. It would be nice to get Bengie Molina or Mike Lieberthal.
     
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    I would love to have ARod, but honestly what the hell do we have to offer the Yankees, besides Roy Oswalt???? Morgan Ensberg, Brad Lidge, Willy T, Jason Lane, Jason Hirsh, Matt Albers, Chris Burke???? What would the Yankees want with any of those guys??? They could Jered Weaver and/or Ervin Santana, Brandon Wood or Howie Kendrick from the Angels. They could get guys like Jonathan Broxton and Billingsley and other young studs from the LA Dodgers or maybe even Peavy and Linebrink from San Diego. Astros don't have enough. We'll have to settle for Carlos Lee. Soriano strikes out too much, doesn't get on base enough, plays bad defense and all he basically does is hit homers and steal bases, that is it.
     
  16. Jugdish

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    Soriano's strikeouts are meaningless because he has about the same number of GIDPs as sacrifices each year (averages of 7 and 6, respectively).
     
  17. rhino17

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    I dont know why you would want Lee over Soriano. Lee does all the exact same things you said Soriano doi except he cant steal bases like Soriano. And Sorian drove in 95 runs while Lee drove in 81. But, the speed alone makes me think:

    Soriano > Lee
     
  18. Aceshigh7

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    Carlos Lee drove in 116 runs, not 81. You've got to add his Brewers & Rangers stats together.

    Also, Carlos Lee is said to be a very good natured and Lance Berkman-type of personality in the clubhouse. Soriano is known to be a bit surly.

    Additionally, I witnessed Lee hit the hardest line drive home run I have ever seen in Minute Maid Park last year. I think there's probably still a dent in the Landry's sign above the Crawford Boxes from that shot.

    In my opinion, Lee > Soriano.
     
  19. rhino17

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    My bad on the RBI number. But, quite frankly, I dont care which one of them they sign as long as they get one of them. They need a bat like this and without, they will go nowhere
     
  20. Aceshigh7

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    I totally agree. I can't wait for the playoffs to be over to see who we get. This has got to be a big offseason for us.
     

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