1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

[Official] Astros Off Season

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by Castor27, Nov 7, 2022.

  1. No Worries

    No Worries Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 1999
    Messages:
    30,159
    Likes Received:
    17,103
    That is just not fair.
     
  2. rockbox

    rockbox Around before clutchcity.com

    Joined:
    Jul 28, 2000
    Messages:
    21,656
    Likes Received:
    10,576
    Nah. Talking about Abreu. His Slider and curveball have the highest whiff rate and lowest batting average. People are actually hitting his fastball at around .288 while his breaking balls have less that .200 batting average. It's his least effective pitch but the pitch he throws strikes with.
     
    #1782 rockbox, Nov 18, 2022
    Last edited: Nov 18, 2022
  3. HTown2017Champs

    Joined:
    Jan 16, 2018
    Messages:
    4,623
    Likes Received:
    4,408
    I don’t mind kicking the tires on Bellinger, but somebody will be desperate and overpay.
    But if he took a 1 yr, $12M deal, I’d consider. Maybe he’s fixable, and at his peak he was a beast. The talent is there. And regarding past comments, I think he’s a little childish, but he could probably be very well-served coming here. Maybe Dusty Baker and company can straighten him, he needs to act like an adult.
     
  4. BigM

    BigM Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jul 1, 2001
    Messages:
    18,000
    Likes Received:
    13,183
    Verlander has told Crane he’d come back at 2 years/80 million. Doesn’t sound like Crane is going to meet him at that price.

    In more obvious news, Crane is interested in Abreu.
     
  5. Snake Diggit

    Snake Diggit Member

    Joined:
    Mar 12, 2012
    Messages:
    11,269
    Likes Received:
    15,336
    $80M/2yrs is not at all unreasonable. But I still wouldn’t give it to him unless a significant portion of that ($10M+) was bonuses for innings pitched.
     
  6. IBTL

    IBTL Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Nov 22, 2010
    Messages:
    12,176
    Likes Received:
    12,335
    Sources breh? o_O
     
    #1786 IBTL, Nov 18, 2022
    Last edited: Nov 18, 2022
    cbass and Madmanmetz like this.
  7. IBTL

    IBTL Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Nov 22, 2010
    Messages:
    12,176
    Likes Received:
    12,335
    I'd do it.
     
  8. mkahanek

    mkahanek Member

    Joined:
    May 2, 2001
    Messages:
    3,300
    Likes Received:
    1,881
    Tough call here. He is still the de facto staff ace and vet presence that is needed in a grueling 162 game season. It is nice to know you have a hammer coming up in rotation if you are in one of those mid season slumps where you have lost 2 or 3. JV is that hammer that can come in and throw 6 or even 7 innings of 2 hit 0 run ball. That can sometimes be the difference between a 2-3 game slump breaking or continuing on to a 5 or 6 game slump. Now is it worth 3/130. If we get this years performance ir even 85-90% of it I think it is. Now… how much longer before he loses a couple of ticks off his fastball, or that slider stops biting? It happens to all of them. Does JV have that Nolan Ryan gene or is he merely human and the inevitable fall off is coming? Glad it is not my pocketbook..
     
    Snake Diggit likes this.
  9. the shark

    the shark Member

    Joined:
    Mar 16, 2010
    Messages:
    4,691
    Likes Received:
    3,957
    Haven't seen or heard this anywhere.

    It's already been asked but what is your source here????
     
  10. CisBuds4U

    CisBuds4U Member

    Joined:
    Nov 10, 2009
    Messages:
    5,929
    Likes Received:
    1,844
    So quiet...this is gonna be a looooooooong winter and I'm already running out of patience lol. Please get someone amazing FO!
     
  11. BigM

    BigM Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jul 1, 2001
    Messages:
    18,000
    Likes Received:
    13,183

    My friend has business interests with Crane. That’s directly from Crane. Personally I’d do the deal. My buddy told him he wouldn’t so I let him know if we don’t get JV back it’s on him.
     
  12. IBTL

    IBTL Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Nov 22, 2010
    Messages:
    12,176
    Likes Received:
    12,335
    That's cool. Your sauces check out then.

    I'm really hoping we do the deal too. But if not, definitely is your friends fault!
     
    houstonstime, rockbox and BigM like this.
  13. Qan

    Qan Member

    Joined:
    Jul 20, 2012
    Messages:
    2,976
    Likes Received:
    4,219
    Hey, imsiders can't give their sources away....what would that make them? Judge signing with Astros.
     
  14. Qan

    Qan Member

    Joined:
    Jul 20, 2012
    Messages:
    2,976
    Likes Received:
    4,219
    Your friend is a smart man, not worth 40mil.
     
  15. Phillyrocket

    Phillyrocket Member

    Joined:
    Jun 12, 2002
    Messages:
    13,744
    Likes Received:
    10,220
    Baseball off-season is the worst.
     
    solid and AznH-TownFan like this.
  16. CinematicFusion

    Joined:
    Jun 20, 2018
    Messages:
    2,715
    Likes Received:
    2,675
    do a deal of 2 years 70 million with an option for a third at 35 million. Have a buy out for year 3 at 10 million.
     
  17. BigM

    BigM Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jul 1, 2001
    Messages:
    18,000
    Likes Received:
    13,183

    I’d do it either way but I’m not in charge of finances. I assume spending $40 million on JV prices them out of someone like Abreu which is partially why it’s not a deal. So if the off-season moves were just resigning our free agents Montero, Verlander, Yuli and Brantley would that be a win or a loss?
     
  18. Yordan The Great

    Joined:
    Oct 17, 2019
    Messages:
    4,408
    Likes Received:
    6,049
    Anybody have a beat on Tucker's arbitration numbers for these next three off seasons?

    It must be pretty good for him to have turned down whatever deal we offered him last off season.
     
  19. AKdaDawg

    AKdaDawg Member

    Joined:
    Apr 18, 2018
    Messages:
    274
    Likes Received:
    238
    i would BOO his ass at every AT BAT AT HOME!................(Until the Word Series when he does something amazing)
     
  20. Nook

    Nook Member

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2008
    Messages:
    54,333
    Likes Received:
    113,204
    This.

    There are some issues with the second year and options, etc.

    I still think there is a chance that someone comes and puts a third year old the table though.
     

Share This Page

  • About ClutchFans

    Since 1996, ClutchFans has been loud and proud covering the Houston Rockets, helping set an industry standard for team fan sites. The forums have been a home for Houston sports fans as well as basketball fanatics around the globe.

  • Support ClutchFans!

    If you find that ClutchFans is a valuable resource for you, please consider becoming a Supporting Member. Supporting Members can upload photos and attachments directly to their posts, customize their user title and more. Gold Supporters see zero ads!


    Upgrade Now