I was 99.9% sure that it was tongue in cheek but I had the thought that a few here might run to the bank with it. I am the same when it comes to talent not having that fire to be better than the day before. It sad because I know Nolan stumped for FW as the pick and Nolan worked like a crazied animal as a player. We shall see if it clicks. I guess the positive is it least he was pitching in the video and not going Trevor B on some random "woman".
Would be have made it in had he called it quits a few years earlier and finished with, let's say, 2600 hits? I would think not. Has a similar feel to Craig Biggio.
You say that like it’s a bad thing. I say that FW is merely living his best life. Some from column A, some from Column B. Who is the more stubborn jackass- FW or Kyrie Irving?
Did you even go to school brah? As someone who had to explain hyperbole to some of the more dim the other day I appreciate the sentiment from your last couple posts.
His career totals are not elite, but he's one of the best 3B of all-time. Only Chipper & Beltre were arguably better 3B of the era. And Beltre's argument is purely based on playing way more games in his career.
How about 26-29 with 225 saves? Or Billy Wagner type numbers with HOU. I would be tickled pink with that from him.
Kyrie Irving made it the NBA and made millions with his talent before he started behaving like a selfish dumbass who thought he knew everything.
I hate B Ball. How did they wind up on the Astros Off Season thread?. Maybe someone should chastise them and tell them where to take off subject topics. LOL! Honestly, it's fine with me, but some folks have a blind spot to their own deviations and become absolutely anal about others doing the same.
He cant be one of the best 3rd basemen of all time when you just said two 3rd basemen of his era were better. He wasn’t one of the best all time. He was a really good player who fizzled the 2nd half of his career.
Poor argument. Willie Mays, Mickey Mantle, and Duke Snyder all played at the same era. I'm sure we can find many other examples. Are you going to say one isn't an all time great because there were 2 others who played at the same time? Is Max Scherzer not an all time great because he played at the same time as Justin Verlander and Clayton Kershaw? Is Jim Thome not an all time great because he played in the same era as Frank Thomas and Jeff Bagwell?
actually they are different eras. Rolens offensive output didn’t stand out in his era. Maybe that was because of steroids. Mantle and Mays put up the best numbers of their era regardless of position. Rolen’s numbers were never as dominant in his era. Like I said, he put up really good numbers for 8 years and then fizzled. Rolen did not dominate the league like mays and mantle.
If Rolen had continued his ‘98-‘04 pace I think he should get in. In that time he had 2 or 3 hall of fame worthy seasons mixed in with some good seasons. He didn’t make a career of it. 2 or 3 or 4 hall of fame worthy seasons out of 15 should not get you in the hall. In that case, Cesar Cedeno would be in. So would a lot of people. By letting players like Baines and Rolen in you are creating a slippery slope. For a long time, 3rd basemen weren’t expected to be middle of the order power hitters like they are now. Rolen hit 30 homers 3 times. Had 100 rbi’s 5 times. Thats really solid. Thats not elite over a full career.
So defense should never be considered because it's completely inconsequential to a players value. If the offenseive numbers aren't there, end of discussion. Ozzie Smith and Brooks Robinson aren't hall of fame material either. Harold Baines got in because of cronyism on the veterans committee, he never came close to being voted in.
That's not what you said. You said a player can't be an all time great if there were 2 other players better at his position in the same era. FTR: I understand and respect your argument about Rolen. It's valid. But multiple greats can play in the same era.
You cant compare rolens “greatness” to mantle and mays. Its not close. Position not even a factor in that.
Ok so if Bregman has one more good season and then falls off a cliff, is he in the hall? 2 more good seasons? no
