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[Official] Astros Off Season

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by Castor27, Oct 19, 2018.

  1. Nook

    Nook Member

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    You would think that he would be available but several writers claim the Royals don’t intend to move him. I love his arm and glove but his bat slows at all and it can get ugly.
     
  2. Snake Diggit

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    https://fancredsports.com/Articles/inside-baseball-predicting-the-deals-for-131-of

    Tons of Deals I like from that list:

    Donaldson 3/66 for an mvp bat
    Grandal 3/39 for one of the top 5 catchers in the game
    Gio Gonzalez 3/30 for a legit #2-3 SP
    JA Happ 2/26 good deal for him
    David Robertson 3/21 good deal for a closer
    Andrew Miller 2/20 good deal for the upside
    Daniel Murphy 2/18 for an elite bat
    Morton 1/17.9 if healthy great value
    Lance Lynn 2/17 great value for MoR SP
    Lowrie 2/15 I like him better than Marwin
    Asdrubal Cabrera 2/14 Also like him better than Marwin
    Wade Miley 2/13 big upside
    Beltre 1/10 hof presence for $10M
    Wilson Ramos 1/10 STEAL
    Josh Harrison 2/10 better than Marwin
    Ervin Santana 1/7 steal if Medicals check out
    Cody Allen 1/7
    CarGo 1/6.5 low risk Tucker insurance
    Tyson Ross 1/5.5 upside w low risk
    Pomeranz 1/5
    Kelvin Herrera 1/9 upside w low risk
    Lucroy 1/5
    Suzuki 1/5
    Wieters 1/4
    Kinsler 1/4 DH option
    Chisenhall 1/4
    Marco Estrada 1/4
    Granderson 1/2.75 Tucker insurance
    Neil Walker 1/2 big upside for no risk
    Logan Forsythe 1/2 Poor mans Marwin?
    Jake Diekman 1/1.25 no risk for high 90s lefty


    If that is really how the market shakes out Houston should have plenty of money to nab a catcher, a bat, 2 SP, and a RP. Wilson Ramos, Daniel Murphy, Gio Gonzalez, Lance Lynn, and Cody Allen for $42M total in 2019? Sounds like a steal.
     
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  3. awc713

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    I'm mildly surprised, but I really shouldn't be. Our bullpen has so many other options that $5.5M was just too much to spend, but I think he is worth it.

    When you compare to what some relievers got last offseason:

    Luke Gregerson 2/$11M
    Anthony Swarzak 2/$14M
    Joe Smith 3/$15M
    Bryan Shaw 3/$27M
    Bud Norris 1/$3M
    Juan Nicasio 2/$17M
    Pat Neshek 2/$16.25M
    Tommy Hunter 2/$18M
    Brandon Kintzler 2/$10M
    Jake McGee 3/$27M
    The list could go on and on

    None of those guys are better than Will Harris, and most are worse. I would have thought a trade would have at least been available (similar to Neshek when we picked up his option and shipped him to Philly).

    Of course there was the virtual bargain of Tony Watson 3/$9M
     
  6. Buck Turgidson

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    He is still under club control for next season, so if they want him back all they have to do is tender him a contract then they go to arbitration (~3.5M)
     
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  7. Redfish81

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  9. Snake Diggit

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    Hard to say. On the one hand the predictors are saying he will get like $30M in which case he should take the QO. On the other I think he is worth much more than that. If Houston signed him for $60M/4yr I would be totally ok with it. Over the last 4 seasons he’s been the 3rd most valuable catcher in the league (behind Posey and Realmuto). He shouldn’t really start to experience age related decline for another 2 years, and his bat is good enough that he should continue to have solid value as a backup or DH into his mid 30s. After Posey, Realmuto, and maybe Gary Sanchez, he’s the best offensive backstop in baseball.
     
  10. Redfish81

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    His defense is bad and that's tough to swallow at the catcher position. I didn't think the Astros would be very interested in him before the qualifying offer. Now that he is getting it I don't see Luhnow even pursuing him at all. Luhnow loves his draft picks.
     
  11. Snake Diggit

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    Another thing that caught my eye: of the top 12 leaders in total fWAR at catcher in mlb from 2016-2018, 8 of them are possibly available either in free agency or trade:

    1. Realmuto- definitely available via trade
    2. Posey- maybe available via trade
    3. Grandal- free agent
    4. Sanchez (not available)
    5. Contreras (not available)
    6. Molina (not available)
    7. Zunino (not available)
    8. Lucroy- free agent
    9. Ramos- free agent
    10. Perez- likely available via trade
    11. Cervelli- maybe available via trade
    12. Suzuki- free agent
     
  12. Nippystix

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    He's also a backstop that, for all intents and purposes, was benched down the stretch and in the playoffs last year. I think he rebounded nicely this past year, but I don't think teams are going to be throwing around money as freely this offseason. We've seen that trend the last few years, and I think it will continue. I personally think $60M/4 is way too much for Grandal, but that's not to say that you will end up being right (it just takes one team to value him similarly to you). $17.9M or whatever the QO is is nothing to sneeze at, and I think you agree, as you prefaced your post by "hard to say."
     
  13. Snake Diggit

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    I agree his defense and QO dramatically lower the odds of Houston pursuing him. But I still think he is worth more than the QO; premium offense combined with acceptable defense at catcher are rare.

    I think Houston will pursue Realmuto, but if they can’t get him then I think we will end up disappointed with the result, likely a signing of a 3rd tier guy (Maldonado, Weiters, Lucroy, etc.).
     
  14. SKYGODZ187

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    What if.....
    Marlins
    Derek Dietrich and J.T. Realmuto to the Astros for
    Package of
    Kyle Tucker, J.B. Bukouskas, Cional Perez, J.D. Davis, Framber Valdez and Stassi.

    It pretty much helps both clubs.
    It sucks we would have to lose Tucker but it helps both of us.
     
  15. Snake Diggit

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    Right. If I’m his agent, I probably advise him to take the QO, because I’m leery of the potential for market collapse and the upside really isn’t there. But if I’m a GM and I need a catcher and have some payroll flexibility, I hope he declines and I’d be willing to go to $60M/4 to sign him.
     
  16. Major

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    if that many players are 'steals', then it either means they aren't going to go that cheap or that those prices aren't really steals.
     
  17. Snake Diggit

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    No. I like Dietrich but he doesn’t have enough surplus value to make it worth including Tucker. I’d offer Miami 3 guys from the 2nd tier (Alvarez, Bukauskas, James, C Martin, C Perez, Beer, Nova, F Valdez), and tell them they can have a 4th if they throw in Dietrich, and they can add Stassi if they throw in a PTBNL. For me Tucker and Whitley are off the table unless you’re talking about affordable stars with 4+ years of control remaining.
     
  18. Buck Turgidson

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    So much this.
     
  19. Snake Diggit

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    Not necessarily. I think those guys are underestimating. But even if they’re not, it could just be an overcorrection of the market that leaves free agency as an undervalued way to acquire talent (which is primarily a result of the luxury tax).
     
  20. Redfish81

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    Tucker, JB, and Perez might not even be enough for Realmuto by himself.

    I read a story that the Nationals offered a package built around Robles (higher ranked prospect than Tucker) and the Marlins said it wasn't enough.
     

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