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[Official] Astros Off Season Thread

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by Castor27, Oct 2, 2024.

  1. sealclubber1016

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    Meh, I've been one of the big Meyers defenders, but he was 2.5 years removed from the surgery heading into last season. Any damage that hasn't recovered at this point is probably permanent. He got a nice long look as the everyday player, maybe he has a little more offensive upside but he probably is what he is at this point. I'm still higher on him that others because I think he's perfectly adequate as a starter if he's your 8 or 9 hitter, but ideally you have somebody better.

    Problem is we don't, and as the roster stands right this moment we only have 5 players (Altuve,Yordan,Paredes,Diaz,Pena) who I can say with confidence will be more valuable players. It's why I don't get Meyers being pointed out as one of "the" big problems by some. He's a net positive player on a team having issues finding them. If we can upgrade great, I would rather fix the gaping holes first.
     
  2. whiskeyred

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    I’m sorry but fielding a team with Singleton, Meyers and Chas in the line up ain’t gonna cut it.

    side note, I actually dreamed last night that I met Breggy - he was at some cafe drinking coffee but had the “unkept” Breggy look, long hair, beard rocking. I told him that if he went to the Yankees he’d have to clean up or he can stay with the Astors and go full mountain man.

    he winked at me and nodded, then I woke up.
     
  3. IdStrosfan

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    The reason is because at the deadline, the season is 2/3 over.

    The current projected OF is:

    Chas 66 wRC+ last year
    Meyers 86 wRC+ last year
    Dubon 87 wRC+ last year
    Trammell 82 wRC+ in 359 career PAs
    Dezenzo 84 wRC+ IN 65 PAs
    Whitcomb 76 wRC+ in 46 PAs

    This team is crying poor, saying they must "be creative" to fit players into the payroll and THAT is who it currently has in the OF?

    And because this isn't 2013
     
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  4. Tomstro

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    How old is Dezenzo?
     
  5. No Worries

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  6. Nick

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    every year people here claim we have too much pitching… and every year, we in fact don’t and end up spending resources to get more pitching.

    The 2018 Astros had the best rotation of the golden era… pound for pound… yet nobody talks about that team because they didn’t win it all (and were man-handled in the ALCS).
     
  7. Nick

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    Not sure anybody is saying he’s “the” big problem… but if he has no trade value, he goes into the “replaceable” category. Every team has guys like this. He will also still latch on to a team (if the Astors move on) as every team could use him…. Just not as an everyday player, hence why he won’t command a return.
     
  8. Kemahkeith

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    It has been super quit, on any activity front in the last few days.
    This is when Crane usually throws a surprise at us.

    Just sayin.
     
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  9. No Worries

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    Pedro Leon would like a word. Pedro has the wheels to play CF and the arm to play RF.
     
  10. IdStrosfan

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    I would love that. I have Been a big Pedro guy for years.

    He was completely overmatched last year and Ks too much, but it was a very small sample size and hardly a fair opportunity. (Reminds me of Korey Lee's "chance")

    My observation I'd that he is not a quick adjuster, based on how long it took him to pass AAA.

    He also is not a good CF. He has plenty of speed but does not react quickly or take good routes. (maybe he will be the next Rickey Henderson- burner w/ power who can't play CF)

    I think the Astros have given up on him in CF, but giving him a real chance at the RF job would not bother me as long as they address the other 3 holes in the lineup.
     
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    24, the same age as George Springer and Aaron Judge who were absolutely terrible their first 65 PA.
     
  12. Nick

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    “Why doesn’t he hit good?”
     
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  13. Snake Diggit

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    I think Leon is the type of player who could get hot and be a superstar for a few weeks then never be heard from again. I also could see him being like Randy Arozarena with more strikeouts but a much better arm (Arozarena’s 2021 stats represent a reasonable absolute best case scenario for Leon imho). The good thing is his skills have value even in a bench role. His development has been so non-linear that his range of outcomes is still very wide especially for a 27 year old.
     
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  14. Tomstro

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    He turns 25 in early May.

    194 K’s in 657 minor league at bats

    I hope you’re right. I certainly wouldn't mind seeing him flourish this season. Hopefully, the k rate doesn’t somehow worsen in the big leagues, against better pitching.

    Many on here didn’t need 65 at bats to turn on Chas last year, and he was actually coming off a good season in the bigs.

    Dezenzo must cut down on the k’s. He does walk some so that’s hopeful.
     
  15. Snake Diggit

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    Looking at the 2017/2022 rosters:

    They had an average of 6 3+ fwar position players; the current roster has 5.

    They had an average of 3 solid regular (1-2.9 fwar) position players; the current roster has 2.

    They had an average of 3 3+fwar SP; the current roster has 2.

    They had an average of 2 solid (1-2.9fwar) SP; the current roster has 3.

    They had an average of 3 star RP; the current roster has 3.

    This team needs a star hitter, another above average bat, and for their SP to reasonably surprise to the upside to be on par with the teams that won rings.
     
  16. IdStrosfan

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    But not all players, even in the same WAR range, are equal.

    Pena and Meyers are glove first guys who are terrible offensively vs RHP. 70% of SP are RH.

    So, if you look at run production, especially vs RHP, instead of just overall results, this team is even weaker than that.

    I think the pitching, especially SP has a good chance to out perform that projection.
     
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  17. IdStrosfan

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    Besides Brown, who is untouchable, which SP has the most trade value?

    Framber
    Blanco
    Arrighetti
    Garcia
     
  18. Htown Stros

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    As Nick said, every year we end up having a need for SP…look at what we have given up the past two deadlines for SP. Why would you want to go through that again? We let Kikuchi walk and JV is done. Trading Framber just creates another hole, one that is more costly to fix at the deadline. He also eats innings unlike the rest of the staff which helps save the bullpen.

    They had that same garbage OF for half the season last year and won a ton of games while Tucker was out. Will they be a true WS contender with it like that? No. But once again they can add that at the deadline a lot easier than a SP if **** hits the fan.
     
  19. Htown Stros

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    It’s definitely not Blanco or Garcia.
     
  20. Kemahkeith

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    I would say spaghetti. Lots more years of control.
    They probably spend more on take out in the executive offices a year than his current yearly contract.
     

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