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[Official] Astros @ Nationals

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by Castor27, May 22, 2006.

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How will this series end up?

Poll closed May 29, 2006.
  1. WWWW

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  2. WWWL

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  3. WWLW

    6.7%
  4. WLWW

    26.7%
  5. WWLL

    2.2%
  6. WLLW

    0 vote(s)
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  7. LWWW

    2.2%
  8. LLWW

    2.2%
  9. LWWL

    2.2%
  10. LLLL

    8.9%
  1. Rocketman95

    Rocketman95 Hangout Boy

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    Want some cheese with that? Whaa.

    I swear, I don't know if I'm more upset when the Astros lose because they may lose a game in the standing or if it's because of all the whining and b****ing and people acting like they know more about the game than the people who are actually in the profession. Actually, I do know. It's you guys.
     
  2. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    This is absolutely a fair point. I concede it. I have no idea whom they should have signed, and I cringe when I think we could have traded Lidge for Tejada, and I did not want to lose Lidge.

    I think the team needs help though, we need some players that can produce in other venues rather than MMP.

    DD
     
  3. Major

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    I thought your solution was to play Burke and Lamb (combined 0-6) and bench Lane (1-2)?
     
  4. DaDakota

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    Now who is whining?

    Come on, you don't EVER question management? What a good little worker bee you must be.....

    RM95, get real ! You know you question moves etc as much as the next guy, you just give the benefit of the doubt to management more than others.

    Doesn't make you right, or wrong, just a difference of opinion.

    But please...STOP WHINING about us WHINERS !!!

    :D

    DD
     
  5. Xenon

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    Heh. What Ausmus is not a .300 hitter? No way... :D

    A tipjar wager should settle this by seasons end. I'll set the over/under at .270 for "The Babe" Brad Ausmus.
     
  6. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    Yes, it is, but as you are good at picking small samples of statistics to outline your point, how about these for you, take their whole years, pre today's game.

    Lane .203
    Wilson . 238

    Burke .378
    Lamb .346

    What was your point again, Shanna?

    DD
     
  7. TMac640

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    losing 3 out of 4 to the nationals.

    excellent work :)

    glad to see pettite with another cy young performance as well.
     
  8. RocketManJosh

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    Where should we set Lane's over/under? .210? :)

    I'm not saying Burke is going to be great, but I think its his turn to have a chance playing 80-90% of the games, while rotating Willy, Preston, and Jason out.
     
  9. Major

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    The reason your whining is pointed out so much is its irrational - it changes on a daily basis. Midway through last season you wanted to release Burke, now you want him to start. After two weeks of good starting pitching, you thought we didn't need Clemens anymore. After a slump, you want to bench players.

    That's not how baseball works - all players go through slumps and hot streaks. You don't work out of them from the bench. You play the guys and over the course of the season, you expect it to balance out. You don't constantly tinker with the lineup to bench anyone who's not producing. It's like trying to time the stock market - in the long run, it doesn't ever work. You might get lucky, but overall, you'll lose out.
     
  10. Aceshigh7

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    There were several decent options, here are a few that would have been very nice fits for this team:

    Johnny Damon
    Paul Konerko
    Richard Hidalgo

    Remember, Clemens told the Astros not to wait on him and to go out and sign some offense. The Astros really went out and improved the team didn't they?
     
  11. rocketfat

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    oh my god. will somebody else with a brain smack some sense into this guy?
    first of all, how is .339 "extremely similar" to the rest of these???
    July 2005: 0.301
    August 2005: 0.310
    September 2005: 0.286
    April: 0.339
    May: 0.297

    seems like an outlier to me buddy. (here's a favor to you so your lil brain doesn't fry up too much: http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/outlier

    but, you're right...if those 4 months were similar, it wouldn't make much sense to take every other season in the loser's career into account. 4 months is a much stronger argument!! :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

    you're right. i dont own the thread, i just own you.
     
  12. kaleidosky

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    haha i'm sorry, i wasn't gonna jump into the argument. but you can't be that stupid. I don't think his claim was that .339 was similar to the rest (even if that's what the words say--you can read and understand the point of it)... but that the entire clump is significantly higher than the .250 YOU think he's gonna hit. (which would require some months at .200)
     
  13. RocketManJosh

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    In all fairness, teams that go to the World Series typically don't go out and make wholesale changes. The Astros payroll is up there with the big boys so I won't say they are cheap. If you think they made the wrong moves that is one thing, but to say they are a baseball team built on the cheap as you did earlier is wrong.
     
  14. DaDakota

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    WTF? You show me where I said release Burke? I have been a Burke supporter for his entire career and said he should be playing over Biggio even (I was wrong there).

    And I asked if we did need Clemens anymore - knowing of course that we do, but wanted to see if people liked the young pitchers, and thought the team could do it without Roger.

    I agree that you take it as a long term vision, but at some point you realize that the season Hidalgo had was an aberation and you bench him, same with Lane etc.

    While I agree with your point about letting veteran players work it out, especially if they have proven themselves, this does NOT apply to Lane, and only marginally so to Wilson.

    There is NOTHING wrong with playing the hot players, you ride the wave, and Burke and Lamb are playing MUCH better than Wilson and Lane.

    And RocketFat, you can not own Major, he has been my woman since he was Shanna...come here baby, let's get our swirve on.

    ;)

    DD
     
  15. Aceshigh7

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    Not willing to pay market value ($22 mil) for an entire season of Clemens (a pitcher with an ERA last season of under 2.00 and someone who sells out games every time they pitch) = Cheap, and stupid.
     
  16. Major

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    Middle of last year, Burke was arguably the worst outfielder in all of the major leagues. Everyone wanted him benched, if not gone entirely. Whenever people talked about improving the team, dumping him and getting a new left fielder was the only thing talked about. I assumed that included you - if not, I apologize.

    It applies even more to young players like Lane (in terms of time in the majors). Young players are especially prone to slumps, and they'll never improve if they don't get to work out of them. If you benched every one that didn't go great, you'd never play young players.
     
  17. DaDakota

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    Even Everett making errors today....the sky is falling.

    DD
     
  18. Xenon

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    It is my opinion that this is about what we should expect from the Astros at this point. There really isn't any big name we can sign until we get out from under Bagwells contract. I'm looking forward to 2007 though. If we can get a solid hitter at one corner outfield spot for Jason "wasted prime in minors" Lane and Pence up here for Preston. I think we can finally have a nice offense to compete with,.
     
  19. TMac640

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  20. Aceshigh7

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    It isn't going to happen. Expect our existing players to get raises, the Stro's to sign a mid-level caliber outfielder, and the Stros to pocket the difference in a slightly reduced payroll.
     

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