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Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by Castor27, May 29, 2006.

  1. kaleidosky

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    i was pointing out the argument, but i agree that Everett should be playing (starting) still and hitting in the 8 hole over Bruntlett. If we had a more accomplished, productive, and consistent hitter who was solid behind him, i'd say sure we could use the O. But with a marginal upgrade at O, not worth the D drop
     
  2. kaleidosky

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    it's not who you would rather have...he was just stating that he's the best SS defensively. sure you'd rather have an offensive player.. but the fact is what it is
     
  3. MadMax

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    what's with the attitude, rocketfat?
     
  4. RocketManJosh

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    I would like to see Bruntlett get some more PT, but I too want Adam in there at short. If we had someone that was a very good hitter, I'd be willing to take Adam out. I don't think Bruntletts bat outweighs Adams glove. I'm willing to sit Adam, just not in favor of Bruntlett
     
  5. Major

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    I'd put Bruntlett at CF where Willy's providing little on the offensive or defensive side before I put him in at SS.
     
  6. rocketfat

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    no....he wouldnt. that's the whole point. he says you gotta play everett, even if you can upgrade by .50 BA points. lol.
     
  7. Major

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    And you seem to think an extra single every 4 or 5 days is going to help this team more than the 45 innings of better defense. Every manager, pitcher, and professional baseball person would agree more with him than you, which is why you see terrible hitting shortstops all over baseball compared to any other position.
     
  8. DaDakota

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    To be clear before today it was .120 difference.

    Adam Everett batting .206
    Bruntlett batting .326

    And Bruntlett is hitting again today...

    Astros season stats

    DD
     
  9. Major

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    Just like Burke, who absolutely HAD to get more playing time, right? We saw how well that worked out. Clearly, 40 at bats is a great sample size to determine who deserves to play.
     
  10. MadMax

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    everett scored 58 runs in the 8 hole last year. ya think bruntlett would score 40 more times than that? end up with 98 runs?

    he drove in 54 last season. you honestly believe bruntlett drives in 94 runs?
     
  11. DaDakota

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    Major, this is too easy, I can't believe a stat meister like you didn't bother to look at the facts before posting.

    SS batting averages in major leagues

    Adam Everett is the 2nd worst hitting shortstop, and 20 out of 26 starting shortstops are hitting .249 or better.

    And, 14 of them are very productive at .275 or better.....so more than half of them are decent hitting.

    Adam Everett is a great defensive shortstop, but his offense nullifies a good amount of that value.

    DD
     
  12. RocketManJosh

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    Please ... Bruntlett does not even have anywhere near enough at bats to make that comparison. Yes he is a better hitter than Everett, but he is not .120 better. Adam's average will rise by the end of the season and Bruntlett's will probably drop. I think .050 is a better guess than .120
     
  13. MadMax

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    not .50 ba points. .046. lol.
     
  14. rocketfat

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    Burke is still batting .277 for the year.....aren't you the one saying take a larger sample.

    Major, you are hammered today, you need so swirve out of the way Shanna before you get run over again.

    :D
     
  16. Furious Jam

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    Everett career fielding percentage: .975
    Bruntlett career fielding percentage: .968
    By that measure, Everett is roughly a 1% better fielder than Bruntlett. Now, I know that's an imperfect measure, as there will be balls that Everett gets to that Bruntlett won't even be able to make a play on. I'm just throwing career fielding percentage out there to demonstrate that Bruntlett is obviously a good defensive SS and that defense probably wouldn't suffer much at all if he started ahead of Everett.

    Everett career OPS: .660
    Bruntlett career OPS: .742
    Without ever getting regular playing time during his entire career, Bruntlett is a better hitter than Everett by 11%. That gap would only grow larger if Bruntlett wasn't relegated to pinch hitting and a start once a month. Bruntlett's current OPS for this season is .833 while Everett is currently at .567 - a difference of 32%. But let's doubt Bruntlett and give Everett a break - let's say that Everett rises up to his career average of .660 and Bruntlett drops down to .795, which is what David Eckstein hits - Bruntlett would still be hitting better than Everett by 17%. To me, that advantage is more significant than whatever advantage Everett has over Bruntlett in the field, especially when you consider that this team is hitting poor.

    Yes, defense up the middle is important, but so is hitting. However, Bruntlett can provide both, whereas Everett can only deliver one.
     
  17. rocketfat

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    hah...posted at the same time
     
  18. MadMax

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    You may be right, or you may be wrong, right now it is what it is.....as JVG says you are only as good as your record.

    DD
     
  20. DaDakota

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    It would be .606....to be clear....counselor !

    ;)
     

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