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Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by Castor27, May 29, 2006.

  1. MadMax

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    what did i miss?
     
  2. rocketfat

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    bruntlett knowing how to hit a baseball.
     
  3. MadMax

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    bruntlett got the start today at SS?

    you think that means a permanent change is coming??

    i think that means it's a day game after a night game and Everett was in line for a day off.
     
  4. rocketfat

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    i think he's in line for more playing time for sure. batting under .200 doesnt cut it for a big league ss.
     
  5. Buck Turgidson

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    I'd like to see him get some starts in CF as well. Dude's a player, I understand why Garner likes him on the bench though.
     
  6. MadMax

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    he's batting .206.

    bruntlett's a career .253 hitter. i'm willing to give up .047 on batting average to have Everett's glove out there.

    there were years ozzie smith couldn't hit worth a flip. you don't yank the best defensive SS in the game out for that. he's taking away baserunners every game.
     
  7. Buck Turgidson

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    Everett's in a slump (just about the whole damn team is - Munson/Bruntlett/Lamb only players w/ an OPS over .800 for the month)...do you expect him to hit around .200 the rest of the way? Or better? But I can understand AE & Lane sitting some for awhile...but then how do they get out of a slump sitting on the bench? Managing a team ain't easy.

    And Bruntlett's very good at SS. He's very good about anywhere you put him.
     
  8. rocketfat

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    bruntlett's never had a chance to play regularly and get in any sort of groove. ozzie smith was surrounded by teammates who could hit.

    i'm not agreeing or disagreeing with you. i'm just saying, you saw what garner did with lane. i wouldnt be surprised if bruntlett starts to play more. deshaies said the same thing.
     
  9. MadMax

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    i can't equate lane with everett. a corner OF who isn't hitting and driving in runs is very different from a sparkling defensive SS who isn't hitting and driving in runs.
     
  10. Furious Jam

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    No way. Not on this team. This team needs every hit it can get.

    I watch about 1/2 the games and I see Everett make a play that an average SS couldn't make about once a week, so let's say he does it at least twice a week, maybe three times a week. What's he saved you? Three singles? Over the course of a week? I'd rather have Bruntlett not get to those three balls, but hit an extra 2 or 3 doubles during that week over what Everett would typically hit (which falls somewhere between jack and squat). Listening to you people, you'd think that Everett is twice the fielder that Bruntlett is, and that's just not true.

    Bruntlett's bat + Bruntlett's glove > Everett's bat + Everett's glove
     
  11. MadMax

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    defense up the middle is CRUCIAL.

    did everyone forget last season already?

    everett is far and away the best defensive SS in the game right now.
     
  12. Buck Turgidson

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    But we don't know that. He's never even played a week straight. You've seen what Burke's done with his opportunity (4 for 30). Plus, Everett doesn't help this team at all coming off the bench.

    Lamb, Burke, Bruntlett & Palmeiro have all seen their p.t. increase the past few weeks, not sure what else people want Garner to do.

    Ugh...Rolen might have just won the game right there.
     
  13. Major

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    Everett hit 27 doubles last year. If Bruntlett were hitting an extra 2 doubles per week over Everett, and a baseball season is about 26 weeks long, you're saying Bruntlett will hit about 75 doubles if playing a full season? Biggio, one of the best doubles hitters in baseball, has a career high of 56.

    If you're going to start counting up hits saved, then do the other side of the equation properly. At 4 at bats per game, a player gets 28 at bats per week. Even if Bruntlett hits 0.250 instead of Everett hitting 0.200, you'll get an extra 1.4 hits per week, the majority of those being singles.
     
  14. rocketfat

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    lol....ummm, no he isnt. look, i think everett is a great, top tier defensive ss, without a doubt, but "far and away the best"???? get a grip buddy, you're suffering from Homer Syndrome.

    I mean, everett just totally blows vizquel out of the water, doesnt he?? could name about 12 more comparable, but i'll stop there. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

    you've just lost any credibility you had. and i'll speak for everybody when saying that.
     
  15. Major

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    Please don't try to speak for anybody but yourself. Certainly not me. And definitely not (apparent) these Astros Homers:

    http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/majors/features/261130.html

    They must have tweaked the statistics to make Everett look good, right? :rolleyes:

    <I>• Adam Everett. He has rated as the best shortstop in baseball over each of the last three seasons and scored a plus-33 in 2005. Michael Young rated as the worst in 2005 with a minus-39.</I>
     
  16. DaDakota

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    Adam Everett is a great defensive shortstop, but if he can't hit .240-.250, he should not be playing every day.

    DD
     
  17. MadMax

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    wow...is it really necessary to get that personal? thanks for speaking for everybody regarding my credibility! :)

    http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/majors/features/261130.html


    • Adam Everett. He has rated as the best shortstop in baseball over each of the last three seasons and scored a plus-33 in 2005. Michael Young rated as the worst in 2005 with a minus-39. "The Fielding Bible" looked back at his days at second and says he has always had a tendency to play too far to his right to take advantage of his strong arm, which leaves him vulnerable to his left.


    http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcon...seball/stories/051406dnspofraley.7acb696.html

    The book The Fielding Bible describes Everett as "the best shortstop in the major leagues." Based on Everett's performance this season, it is difficult to argue against that point.

    Everett began Saturday's play as the only front-line major-league shortstop without an error. To put that into context, Detroit's Carlos Guillen and Rafael Furcal of the Los Angeles Dodgers each had nine.

    This is not a sudden improvement. Astros manager Phil Garner said that from the moment he replaced Williams during the 2004 All-Star break, Everett has been a top-shelf shortstop.

    The Astros owe that to Williams.

    "Jimy helped turned me into the player I am," Everett said. "He helped me with so many little things. He helped me get over the fear of making errors and helped me use my natural ability the way it should be used."

    Williams eliminated a flaw in Everett's game by changing his delivery to enable him to make more accurate throws. After that, Williams stressed fundamentals and not complicating the game.

    Everett is not as flashy as San Francisco's Omar Vizquel, whose defensive work could propel him into the Hall of Fame. Everett's strength is making the plays that must be made. With the game on the line, Astros pitchers want Everett to handle the ball.

    Garner estimated that Everett has saved at least 10 hits just because his hands are in the right position to handle late hops. What stands out is "he makes it look so easy," Garner said.

    http://www.lowellsun.com/sports/ci_3872506

    Astros shortstop Adam Everett, who played in Lowell in 1998 and helped the Astros win their first NL pennant last year, has been struggling with his bat this year, hitting .221, but not with his glove. A conventional shortstop, Everett doesn't have the flash of the Latin-style players.

    A recently published book, "The Fielding Bible," cites Everett as "quite simply the best shortstop in the major leagues."

    "I don't know how they do it," Astros manager Phil Garner told the Associated Press, "but according to the book, Adam saves us 20 to 25 runs a year defensively, more than any other shortstop in the league."
     
  18. Major

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    So you believe one extra single out of the SS position every 4 or 5 days will have a major impact on us winning or losing?
     
  19. DaDakota

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    All that is talking about is defense?

    I guess they don't expect the offense to matter ????????

    If he saves 20 runs a year, that is awesome, but what if the guy that replaces him would get you 40 more?

    You are + 20 then.......

    DD
     
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    dont twist my words, child. i said he is a great defensive player, but is he "far and away the best in the league"????????? not even close.

    who would you rather have? vizquel or everett?

    who would you rather have? michael young or everett??

    didnt the astros come within a run of going to the world series 2 years ago with jose F$#(ing Vizcaino as our SS over the 2nd half of the season and through the playoffs?

    do you really think it's out of the realm of possibility that we could be a better team with a SS who can hit, and be a tad less of a fielder??



    am i EVER wrong?? why do i win every argument? spooky.
     

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