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[Official] Astros @ Angels

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by Castor27, Jun 8, 2026 at 8:19 AM.

  1. IdStrosfan

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    Through age 35 seasons
    Biggio 2149 hits.
    Altuve 2274 hits

    It took Biggio 6 more years averaging 142 hits per season to do it.

    Part of the problem is that despite more of Biggio's PAs resulting in no AB, he averaged about 50 more ABs per season than Altuve has the last few seasons.

    Biggio had 617 ABs in 155 games as a 35 year old. Coincidentally Altuve also played 155 games but only got 588 ABs

    1 fewer AB every 5 games = 1 fewer hit every 18-20 games.

    Over the course of 4+ years it will add up.

    From today, if Altuve can average 142 hits per season the rest of his contract he will be at 2917.

    But as we said. 1 fewer AB every 5 games. 1 fewer hit every 18-20 games.
     
  2. Elienator

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    Having watched both I think about Biggio and Altuve as very different players.

    It’s amazing Altuve has had the career he’s had and even when he’s incredibly frustrating he’s alway interesting, in the moment, and in my opinion fun to watch. If the Astros go for a rebuild / tank, I think I’d be fine watching him play out his contract even with diminished skills (assuming he wanted to).
     
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  3. Nook

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    The ideal situation for him would be what guys like Eddie Murray and Edgar Martinez had at the end of their careers..... he can DH, he can take 20-30 games a year off, sit Sunday games...... and only sees the field enough to stay fresh for the post season at the spot.... the problem is that the Astros have the Cuban Buck Leonard taking up the DH spot, and no one is sitting that monster in his prime.
     
  4. Buck Turgidson

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    He's much more David Ortiz...who didn't break out as a star until he was 27yo or so
     
  5. mvpcrossxover

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    the season was over once they lost 8 in a row early in the season

    astros have been trying to make up for that losing streak ever since and just could not for the life of them do it.

    astros haven't had a 10 games win streak since i want to say 2022 or perhaps 2023. we all sure as hell know this team ain't winning 10 games in a row any time soon.
     
  6. Snake Diggit

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    Astros haven’t won even 8 in a row since August 2024. Their last 10 game streak was back in May 2022.

    You are right in that the 8 game losing streak put them in a hole they will likely not dig out of.
     
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  7. Htown Stros

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    I’m guessing all the guys hitting .704 or less are better defenders than Altuve. He might not be terrible but he’s definitely not a “good player” as this point.

    If he was hitting 8th, it wouldn’t even be an issue. Trying to count on him being a top of the order hitter is the problem.
     
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  8. Htown Stros

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    The biggest boost this team could receive is Yainer coming back and miraculously hitting like he did in 2023 and the 2nd half of 2024. They desperately need to extend the lineup.
     
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  9. RussE

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    Altuve went 0 for 11 in the Angels series w/a walk. .232 average. 5 homers. 13 RBI’s.
     
  10. Houstunna

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    The eight losing streak is conspicuous, but the Astros issue would be the same regardless.... they lose straight more often than win straight. That's how teams lose series -- and it's the exact reason baseball seasons can seem long depending on expectations. You are literally staring at opportunity on a daily basis, then fumble the ball over and over again.
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  11. RussE

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    Jake .212 average. 2 homers. 9 RBI’s. That average sucks.

    Isaac… ..236 average. 9 homers and 33 RBI’s.


    .242 team average. They have fallen off.
     
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  12. Snake Diggit

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    Mildly Realistic successful Astros lineup:

    SS Pena wRC+ 120: basically what he’s been since last year
    DH Yordan wRC+ 170: keeps trucking
    3B Paredes wRC+ 120: his career norm
    1B Walker wRC+ 120: what he’s been this year on balance
    RF Smith wRC+ 110: a reasonable step forward in his progression
    C Diaz wRC+ 110: return to form
    2B Altuve wRC+ 100: 75% of what he’s been in his career
    LF Loperfido etc wRC+ 100: finding a league average hitter among the melee
    CF Meyers etc wRC+ 90: Meyers career norm
     
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  13. 13 in 33

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    Last year the team stayed afloat by not losing more than 5 in a row. Unfortunately, they couldn't win more than 5 in a row either.
     
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  14. snowconeman22

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    Our top 4 is great

    That would be a great offense . Hell , even if you slot in Vasquez hes probably an 85-90 (i dont know wrc+ very well , baseball reference has ops+)

    I think our lineup is fine . Brice and cam have both shown some growth even if the results aren't always there .

    It's the pitching and espada imo . I even like what brown has done with lamont wade .
     

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