Official 2013 Budget/Debt Limit/Obamacare Crisis Thread

And since you added that last line. I am just flabbergasted that you don't realize how what happens on the shoulder can affect traffic.

 

I think if your concern is traffic then closing shoulders is moronic. There function is to keep traffic moving when a car breaks down.

Of course. This is how it usually works at parks (I have been to tons). All that is achieved now is cars will slow down in the road to take pictures. Terrible for traffic. I would also tell you that there is now twice as much security at these monuments then there was before, so your protecting the monument argument makes no sense.

The local police would come. thats what usually happens....

I am flabbergasted you think closing shoulders at a park would be good for traffic.

 

Um, you asked for a link to my contention that he was fired for making up quotes. I gave you the link along with other links citing your author's fondness for the Confederacy and bigoted statements about Obama's heritage. You completely dodged and ignored all of that and moved on to have me find the 40 year old quotes that were made up which I never said I had.

I don't give a damn who is barricading monuments. You cited an anonymous quote from a park ranger in an editorial by a Confederate fanboy bigot as proof that Obama has personally decided to close down parks. And you're the one that wants evidence it's not true?

Actually, I just got a tweet from an anonymous source within the White House that said Obama has been golfing all weekend and he had nothing to do with the park closures. There ya go!

They targeted many people, not simply conservatives. Jesus, you guys go to any length to cloud the truth.

 

Again though, I sit in amazement at the vitriol from conservative crazies about closed parks and not the 800,000 people on furlough and the $300 million loss per day to the economy. It speaks for exactly how far off the rails you guys have gone.

And FOX News is going to trot out every veteran from Fallujah to the sons of the Confederacy to visit every memorial in the country to highlight this dastardly event but neglect to mention the 800,000 furloughed. Great.

 

u just called me racist on the previous page

u gave me an accusation by a third party for something from 1978.

 

I said it was not altogether surprising you would quote someone like that, especially considering the constant anti-Obama activism here. It's odd though that you don't find pause in the fact you would so readily accept the word of anonymous quotes from someone with that kind of past and that your hatred for Obama clouds your ability to disseminate what's reasonable from what's not. It's this duality you guys have where Obama is completely incompetent and lacking leadership qualities yet completely all powerful as if a dictator all at the same time. Just like those mocking his race and heritage by calling him half black and calling him Hussein and then saying they're not racist, they just don't like his policies. Oh well, it's just Balack Hussein's policies you don't like? Makes sense. :grin:

It was a quote from the founding editor and publisher your author worked for at one point. I would assume he knows him better than either of us.

Pruden started with the Times shortly after its founding. He was originally hired on a probationary basis, founding editor and publisher James Whelan told the Washington Business Journal, because Pruden had run into ethical problems as a reporter.

According to Whelan, Pruden was fired in 1978 by the now-defunct National Observer, where he had worked for 14 years, under suspicion that he had "manufactured" quotes in his stories. (Pruden refused to comment on the reasons for

 

Obama is one cold hearted mother

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Harry Reids shutdown only actually shut down 17% of government operations. Slimdown is more appropriate.

http://washingtonexaminer.com/where...7-percent-government-shutdown/article/2536862

 

Of course Obama wasn't the one who shut anything down. That was done by the Republicans in the house.

 

yeah it makes total sense that healthcare.gov is open but amberalert.gov is not

 

No, it doesn't make sense that the govt. is shut down at all. But that's what the Republicans decided to do.

 

There are votes to stop this right now in the house. Tell Boehner to bring a clean CR to the floor for a vote.

 

I think the Democrats should negotiate on spending cuts.

20% out of the defense budget would be a great start.

 

So you think that Obama directly decided this? Here is a hint... Everyone know that the shutdown could not affected a number of programs including Obamacare, ssc, Medicare, defense, etcs.

Republican, the party of self responsibility and accountability, shutdown the government and wouldn’t be responsible or accountable.

 

Republicans always try to get some kind of concession from every budget spending approval and every debt limit increase. It's insane. They ALREADY compromised on this crap the last few years. Now again they want MORE?

Now they claim the Dems won't compromise. It's so hilarious. Man, I hope the country does not fall for their b.s.

 

It's not "Obama's shutdown." It's not "Reid's shutdown."

It's the shutdown the Koch brothers wanted.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/06/us/a-federal-budget-crisis-months-in-the-planning.html

I'm sure the source will be discredited because of a perceived liberal slant at the New York Times. Whatever protects your delusional brains from reality, I suppose. It's funny that there's even a discussion about who is causing this shutdown; it's about as obvious at the birther argument as to what's true.

 

There's truly not a discussion about who is causing the shutdown, not among adults.

You can't operate a government via extortion, so when the radicals on the right figure this out, things will start lurching forward again. If the left and moderate right gives into them *this* time, we will truly enter an era where the US government operates like the Italian train service. Constant strikes and unreliable service. You can barely plan a trip to Italy that relies on trains.

By the way, a friend pointed out to me yesterday the irony of the GOP essentially advocating the most damaging "strike" that the nation has ever seen, all while decrying the evil of unions.